Hall or not?

[BaseballCtchr]

Mike Mussina:

6 AS appearances, 6 Gold Gloves, 243 career wins, 2626 Ks, 3.67 ERA, 1.18 WHIP

BUT

No 20 win seasons, no CY award, and no WS ring.

I myself put no stock into a championship or not, but it seems some voters do. So a WS ring can make or break a fringe HOF guy and in this case it may break him.

SO Hall or not?

[SPTO]

Re: Hall or not?

No,

As you said he's been VERY consistent throughout his career but he's never hit any of the classic benchmarks such as 20 win seasons or a Cy Young. You have to be more then just a very consistent player to be put into the Hall.

He'd definitely be in the Hall of Very Good tho.

[oakfan162]

Re: Hall or not?

No,

As you said he's been VERY consistent throughout his career but he's never hit any of the classic benchmarks such as 20 win seasons or a Cy Young. You have to be more then just a very consistent player to be put into the Hall.

He'd definitely be in the Hall of Very Good tho.

Skip Bayless! Is that you?

[SPTO]

Re: Hall or not?

Skip Bayless! Is that you?

The only good thing he's come up with. Even a blind squirrel will find a nut.

[Scottdau]

Re: Hall or not?

No,

As you said he's been VERY consistent throughout his career but he's never hit any of the classic benchmarks such as 20 win seasons or a Cy Young. You have to be more then just a very consistent player to be put into the Hall.

He'd definitely be in the Hall of Very Good tho.

Nowadays I think 250 or 270 will be an automatic. Not to many pitchers are going to get 300 wins any more, so I think he has a good shot.

[SPTO]

Re: Hall or not?

Nowadays I think 250 or 270 will be an automatic. Not to many pitchers are going to get 300 wins any more, so I think he has a good shot.

I'm not talking about overall wins. I'm talking about at least having a couple 20 win seasons and maybe a Cy Young award. If you don't have that in your career you shouldn't be in the Hall.

[CMH]

Re: Hall or not?

When he's done he'll be aournd the 270 mark and will be inducted.

[Scottdau]

Re: Hall or not?

When he's done he'll be aournd the 270 mark and will be inducted.

yeah that is how I see it, also, SPTO he will make it. Wins are still a big factor.

[eXperiment63]

Re: Hall or not?

If Bert isn't in the HoF... Moose has NO shot. Schilling has had a better, more dominating, career. IMO, not even Schilling is worthy of the Hall. And that is with his post-season heroics.

[snepp]

Re: Hall or not?

As mentioned concerning Schilling, Mussina's peers are likely to hurt his case. Look at the pitchers that will either be eligible at the same time, or close.

Roger Clemens (lock)
Greg Maddux (lock)
Randy Johnson (lock)
Tom Glavine (lock)
Pedro Martinez
Curt Shilling

[Brandon13]

Re: Hall or not?

Pedro's a lock too.

[bkrich83]

Re: Hall or not?

Gonna say no on Mussina. Never been dominant, never been head and shoulders above the rest. Very good pitcher no doubt, but a Hall of Fame pitcher? No.

[nyyanksfan20]

Re: Hall or not?

Moose has an outside shot, but he needs to turn it around this year and still probably have another 2-3 solid years. A ring would definitely help his case.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Hall or not?

As mentioned concerning Schilling, Mussina's peers are likely to hurt his case. Look at the pitchers that will either be eligible at the same time, or close.

Roger Clemens (lock)
Greg Maddux (lock)
Randy Johnson (lock)
Tom Glavine (lock)
Pedro Martinez
Curt Shilling

Pedro is a definite lock. Such dominance from the late 90s to about 2004.

Mussina was consistently good, but a career 3.67 ERA is not HoF worthy. Heck, the only season where his ERA was under 3.00 was his first, compared to eight seasons for Pedro under 3.00.

[skitch]

Re: Hall or not?

As mentioned concerning Schilling, Mussina's peers are likely to hurt his case. Look at the pitchers that will either be eligible at the same time, or close.

Roger Clemens (lock)
Greg Maddux (lock)
Randy Johnson (lock)
Tom Glavine (lock)
Pedro Martinez
Curt Shilling

In all seriousness, how is Pedro NOT a lock?