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  • yvesdereuter
    Banned
    • Jun 2007
    • 1688
    #31
    Re: Hall or not?

    Originally posted by dkgojackets
    Pedro is a definite lock. Such dominance from the late 90s to about 2004.

    Mussina was consistently good, but a career 3.67 ERA is not HoF worthy. Heck, the only season where his ERA was under 3.00 was his first, compared to eight seasons for Pedro under 3.00.
    Originally posted by Kredit
    In all seriousness, how is Pedro NOT a lock?
    Yeah, plus Pedor will get bonus points for posting those numbers during the "steroid era". The voters are big on trying to put that in perspective in some way.

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      • yvesdereuter
        Banned
        • Jun 2007
        • 1688
        #32
        Re: Hall or not?

        Originally posted by snepp
        As mentioned concerning Schilling, Mussina's peers are likely to hurt his case. Look at the pitchers that will either be eligible at the same time, or close.

        Roger Clemens (lock)
        Greg Maddux (lock)
        Randy Johnson (lock)
        Tom Glavine (lock)
        Pedro Martinez
        Curt Shilling

        John Smoltz is another borderline guy that gets mentioned.

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          • Hootiefish
            Pro
            • Aug 2002
            • 933
            #33
            Re: Hall or not?

            Originally posted by yvesdereuter
            John Smoltz is another borderline guy that gets mentioned.
            I believe Smoltz is a near lock as well, especially considering his postseason record.
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              • Seahawk76
                MVP
                • Oct 2005
                • 1394
                #34
                Re: Hall or not?

                I say no on Mussina. He's had a very solid career but he's barely in the conversation when talking about the great pitchers of his era, IMO.

                And 20 wins / 300 wins are benchmarks that will be obsolete in the not-too-distant future when considering pitchers for the HOF. Pitchers today are brought along slower, pitch less often, and are restricted in their pitch counts. The days when pitchers threw every four days and stayed on the mound for as long as they were getting guys out regardless of pitch count are long gone.

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                  • yvesdereuter
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 1688
                    #35
                    Re: Hall or not?

                    Originally posted by Hootiefish
                    I believe Smoltz is a near lock as well, especially considering his postseason record.
                    Maybe. Plus he voluntarily moved to the bullpen and was a quality reliever. Its hard to say though.

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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046
                        #36
                        Re: Hall or not?

                        Originally posted by yvesdereuter
                        Maybe. Plus he voluntarily moved to the bullpen and was a quality reliever. Its hard to say though.
                        Smoltz is a lock no matter what happens the rest of the way. Why? He's the only guy in MLB history to have 200 wins and over a hundred saves. He has a Cy Young under his belt AND he's had a pretty good K/BB ratio.

                        I'd be surprised if he never gets in the Hall.
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                          • SportsTop
                            The Few. The Proud.
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 6716
                            #37
                            Re: Hall or not?

                            Originally posted by SPTO
                            Smoltz is a lock no matter what happens the rest of the way. Why? He's the only guy in MLB history to have 200 wins and over a hundred saves. He has a Cy Young under his belt AND he's had a pretty good K/BB ratio.

                            I'd be surprised if he never gets in the Hall.
                            Eck is at something like 197 wins and 350 saves so in comparison they still dwarf Smoltz's.

                            I love Smoltz and I think he has a strong, strong case but he isn't quite a lock. You have to remember that he'll always be linked being on a staff with two 300 game winners (no matter how unfair that may be).
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                              • CMH
                                Making you famous
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 26203
                                #38
                                Re: Hall or not?

                                I think Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux should retire the same year so they can enter the Hall together.

                                That would be sweet.
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                                  • TheGenius
                                    The World's Smartest Man
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 1590
                                    #39
                                    Re: Hall or not?

                                    Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
                                    The competition isn't too stiff after the above names. Mussina is better than David Wells, Jamie Moyer, and Woody Williams.
                                    I don't think these guys even deserve being mentioned in a Hall of Fame thread. Just because there's less "competition" to get in on any given year doesn't mean that player will get the votes.

                                    And my vote is a no, Mussina does not deserve to be in the HOF.

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