Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008



at this thread.

Only eight players in the National League EVER made more outs in a season than Rollins did last year. There's really no good argument for him. His offense pales in comparison to Ramirez in every way. That's not even opinion, it's fact.

While Howard was the second most valuable player in 06 and Rollins in the 7-10 range, Utley is actually a legit candidate. He would have been my favorite to win this year if he didn't get hurt, and even with missing time should have finished top five.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

Its too bad this jbh guy doenst post that much. His stuff in this thread is so funny.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

That dude must be Hanley Ramierez fanboy.

I'm sorry but did Hanley Ramierez win the NL Gold Glove for SS, and lead his team into the playoffs?

Hatin on my boy J-Roll.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

It's expected that on everyday OF is going to put up those numbers. Last time I checked the Rockies play at Coors field right? J-Roll is a SS putting up OF comparable numbers.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

I guess Howard didn't deserve the MVP in 2006, and Pujols should have got it.

So you can make accurate statements. Just checking.

[Sully]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

Damn dk, take it easy on the trolling.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

I would like to point out that I am attacking the post, not the poster.

However, he may want to check this section of the TOS:

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[Skerik]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

Only eight players in the National League EVER made more outs in a season than Rollins did last year.

I have no idea why people keep bringing this up. If you bat leadoff in a good offense and you play 162 games while playing almost every inning of every one of those games, you're going to make a lot of outs regardless of your batting average. It's a stupid argument.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

I have no idea why people keep bringing this up. If you bat leadoff and you play 162 games while playing almost every inning of every one of those games, you're going to make a lot of outs regardless of your batting average. It's a stupid argument.

I'm sure more than 8 players have batted leadoff and played 160+ games before. I'm also sure most of them had OBPs over .344.

A stupid argument is anything that involves 20/20/20/20. How many votes did that get Granderson?

[gta95]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

Outfielders with higher OPS than Holliday: 1(Magglio Ordonez).

Yep, every outfielder puts up those kind of numbers.

And Citizen's Bank isn't exactly a pitchers park. And his numbers aren't even comparable to Hanley Ramirez, who destroys all of his numbers.

DING DING DING! Hanley Ramirez fan in the house!

How was Hanley's fielding last year? Face it, J-Roll was the best all around player out of the candidates. He deserved it.

If we actually win three MVP awards in a row, I'm organizing a parade on my street. You heard it here first.

I'll be there!

[P2K]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

I would like to point out that I am attacking the post, not the poster.

However, he may want to check this section of the TOS:

Just because you think Pujols should win the MVP each and every year doesn't mean what dude said is inaccurate or misleading.

Now get back on MS Paint and draw an angry face

[JBH3]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

I'm sure more than 8 players have batted leadoff and played 160+ games before. I'm also sure most of them had OBPs over .344.

A stupid argument is anything that involves 20/20/20/20. How many votes did that get Granderson?

Well dude obviously the baseball writers association should just ask you who the MVP should be from now on since all of those guys don't know what they hell they are doing voting for J-Roll.

I don't even know how you can mention Granderson when he plays in the AL where he is competing w/ AROD for an MVP, and once again is an Outfielder. Only a handful of Shortstops have put up the numbers J-Roll has. So Hanley Ramierez had slightly better offensive numbers....So what.... he still is not the glove in the field that J-Roll is. He is definitely not the clubhouse guy either.

I mean why am I even arguing w/dkgojackets... the living legend... I should be like Wayne and Garth chanting "were not worthy, were not worth" right...?

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

Only a handful of Shortstops have put up the numbers J-Roll has. So Hanley Ramierez had slightly better offensive numbers....So what.... he still is not the glove in the field that J-Roll is. He is definitely not the clubhouse guy either.

Saying Hanley RAMIREZ (you really just look dumb spelling names wrong) has "slightly better offensive numbers" than Rollins is like saying Beyonce is "slightly better looking" than Rosie O'Donnell.

Rollins has an above average glove (various metrics put him at -3 to +8 runs). Ramirez has a bad glove (same metrics have him around -20 runs). Take the extremes and say Rollins was 28 runs better defensively. Since Ramirez was about 23 runs better offensively Rollins barely comes out ahead. Use another fielding metric and Ramirez comes out ahead. They are probably even overall, so Rollins can thank his teammates for getting on base and allowing him to compile quantity.

And Rollins is still behind Holliday, Pujols, Wright, Utley, Chipper Jones, and possibly others.

I'll assume you've never gone to this site before. Baseball Prospectus. Feel the knowledge. Feel the power.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/

There's a reason the only people in this thread who agree with you are from philadelphia.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

Just because you think Pujols should win the MVP each and every year doesn't mean what dude said is inaccurate or misleading.

Now get back on MS Paint and draw an angry face

If you can look at this post.

212 hits in 716 at bats. Holliday got 4 more hits in 80 FEWER at-bats.

20/20/20/20? Holliday had a 50/6/36/11! Much better IMO. And gold gloves are a joke of an award now. Rollins did not deserve it at all this year.

Holliday:
OPS+: 150
EQA: .326
WARP3: 11.9
VORP: 75

Rollins:
OPS+: 118
EQA: .298
WARP3: 11.5
VORP: 66.1

And respond with something about ballparks and position (which all of these are adjusted for), then you are trying to mislead people.

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: Howard MVP 2006, Rollins MVP 2007, Utley NL MVP 2008

Well dude obviously the baseball writers association should just ask you who the MVP should be from now on since all of those guys don't know what they hell they are doing voting for J-Roll.

The sportswriters have made it clear for a long while that they don't have a clue what they're doing sometimes. A lot of people and a lot of well respected internet think tanks thought Rollins winning the MVP was silly. It's not like dkgojackets is breaking new ground. Maybe you saw Baseball Prospectus dump all over the Rollins selection in this article: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=681