Bedard for Adam Jones finally done

[supremeslang]

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Good now trade Brian Roberts. Maybe we will actually be worth watching in a few years.

[rubisco43]

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nice... we're actually doing stuff. now get rid of the 35 year olds.

[Computalover]

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now the other pressing issue for the O's is Jay Gibbons, Huff and Millar. also melvin mora. We may need to eat Gibbons contract.. which the old guard gave him a 4 year deal i think. man with his post steroidal numbers i wouldnt have given him a 4 year deal.

Huff and Millar are interesting. I like millar for his intensity but he is no power hitter. Huff is in the twilight of his career and wont put up big numbers. plus they are place holders for Weiters and Snyder, who i hear snyder is really coming along.

Now as far as the deal for bedard. the O's have a history of rushing young pitchers along, which meant a unusual number of them with shoulder, elbow and rotator cuff injuries. I hope the focus is on DEVELOPMENT like McPhail says. because our farm system went from one of the best in the 70's and early 80's to a joke.

It should have been obvious when rhochester red wings parted from us and we went with ottawa that our farm system was in trouble, hopefully this re-tooling is the real deal at fixing a long needed bottom to top overhaul.

GO O's

[oakfan162]

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Finally the title of this thread is correct!

[Bat]

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Injury prone may not be the word, but he's not a workhorse by any means. First the Tommy John surgery, then the knee, then the oblique all in a 4 year span. I think Bedard is great and will love watching him every 5 days, but I hate the price the M's are paying to have him.

BTW...the deal is now supposedly back to the original 5 for 1. This is the biggest clucker-F of a trade I've ever seen.

Bleh.. USSM is a bunch of complainers 24/7. They are negative about every single thing. Also their is a huge ego thing going on there.

I am SO excited about Bedard coming to Seattle.. This is like a holiday!

[Coug00]

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Bleh.. USSM is a bunch of complainers 24/7. They are negative about every single thing. Also their is a huge ego thing going on there.

I am SO excited about Bedard coming to Seattle.. This is like a holiday!

Complainers or not, they make a great point. Does this make Seattle better today? Absolutely. However, the M's may/likely have mortgaged their future to make themselves the 5th best team in the American League...and that's only if Bedard can stay healthy. Seattle isn't better than Boston, New York, Detroit, or Los Angeles Anaheim.

Where is the run support supposed to come from? Where is the defense? This is probably an 85-88 win team that will be the odd-team out for the second straight year. I'd rather keep Jones, Tillman, and Butler and build for the future...but that's just me.

[JoeRyan33]

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I'm curious to see what we gave up for Bedard. I'm so scared that Adam Jones is going to turn into Ken Griffey Jr. without the injuries.

I think he'll be more like Eric Davis. He's nowhere near Griffey's level.

[Coug00]

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I think he'll be more like Eric Davis. He's nowhere near Griffey's level.

Agreed. He's a mix of Davis and Torii Hunter to me. Will be a very good player.

[thaima1shu]

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Bleh...I don't know how to really feel about this trade. Very hesitant about it. We'll see how this turns out, I guess.

[JoeRyan33]

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Bleh...I don't know how to really feel about this trade. Very hesitant about it. We'll see how this turns out, I guess.

I think it gives the M's a legit shot in a weak division. Bedard's young enough too, so they should look to sign him long term.

Tillman I've heard great things about. But you have to give up something to get a guy who's one of the best starters in either league. He'll be dominant at Safeco.

[Bat]

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Complainers or not, they make a great point. Does this make Seattle better today? Absolutely. However, the M's may/likely have mortgaged their future to make themselves the 5th best team in the American League...and that's only if Bedard can stay healthy. Seattle isn't better than Boston, New York, Detroit, or Los Angeles Anaheim.

Where is the run support supposed to come from? Where is the defense? This is probably an 85-88 win team that will be the odd-team out for the second straight year. I'd rather keep Jones, Tillman, and Butler and build for the future...but that's just me.

They won 88 games last year with two terrible starting pitchers. They replaced them both and one is a legit number 1. A guy like Bedard can come in and put a stop to those long losing streaks like they had last year. They replaced guillen with Wilkerson (eh whatever) and Jones didn't offer anything last year so not like they are replacing his production. Sherrill will be the big thing thats missing and in the second half he wasn't anything special with a 4+ era.

Prospects are overrated. I'm not for trading everyone we got (especially Triunfel) but who knows what they will turn out to be. We know what Bedard offers if he stays healthy.

With Escobars health issues Seattle looks pretty good compared to LA. I do agree there needs to be more production offensively but I doubt that would come from Jones this season anyway. Hopefully Sexson gets atleast alittle better and Ibanez stays the course. Wilkerson is a upgrade over Guillens defense, thats for sure.

[Coug00]

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They won 88 games last year with two terrible starting pitchers. They replaced them both and one is a legit number 1. A guy like Bedard can come in and put a stop to those long losing streaks like they had last year.They replaced guillen with Wilkerson (eh whatever) and Jones didn't offer anything last year so not like they are replacing his production. Sherrill will be the big thing thats missing and in the second half he wasn't anything special with a 4+ era.

We know what Bedard offers if he stays healthy. With Escobars health issues Seattle looks pretty good compared to LA. I do agree there needs to be more production offensively but I doubt that would come from Jones this season anyway. Hopefully Sexson gets atleast alittle better and Ibanez stays the course. Wilkerson is a upgrade over Guillens defense, thats for sure.

Its obvious they're better this season (which probably means another 88 wins since last year's 88 wins was a fluke). To me the change isn't enough to warrant trading away all of that young talent they could use to become an even better team in 3-4 years. They basically put their eggs in one basket and if they can't re-sign Bedard in 2010, they've basically narrowed their window of success to 2 years. And I don't think they're better than LAA, Detroit, New York, or Boston these next 2 years (2009 may be different since 36 million comes off the books in dead weight - Ibanez, Vidro, Sexson, Washburn).

I just don't feel a team is good enough to win the World Series that has as many questions as the Mariners do. Ibanez, Vidro, Sexson are all in the twilights of their careers. How much more do they decline or do they bounce back again? What's realistic for them, not hopeful? Does Jarrod Washburn actually put two good years in a row? Do we get 2006 Silva or 2007 Silva? Can Batista repeat his 2nd best year ever? Can Bedard stay healthy? Where's the offense going to come from? Can this team compete for a title when injuries strike and Willie Bloomquist or Jeremy Reed become regulars? Not to mention John McLaren is the Manager and that's -5 wins to start the season.

[Bat]

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Its obvious they're better this season (which probably means another 88 wins since last year's 88 wins was a fluke). To me the change isn't enough to warrant trading away all of that young talent they could use to become an even better team in 3-4 years. They basically put their eggs in one basket and if they can't re-sign Bedard in 2010, they've basically narrowed their window of success to 2 years. And I don't think they're better than LAA, Detroit, New York, or Boston these next 2 years (2009 may be different since 36 million comes off the books in dead weight - Ibanez, Vidro, Sexson, Washburn).

I just don't feel a team is good enough to win the World Series that has as many questions as the Mariners do. Ibanez, Vidro, Sexson are all in the twilights of their careers. How much more do they decline or do they bounce back again? What's realistic for them, not hopeful? Does Jarrod Washburn actually put two good years in a row? Do we get 2006 Silva or 2007 Silva? Can Batista repeat his 2nd best year ever? Can Bedard stay healthy? Where's the offense going to come from? Can this team compete for a title when injuries strike and Willie Bloomquist or Jeremy Reed become regulars? Not to mention John McLaren is the Manager and that's -5 wins to start the season.

Well I agree if Bedard isn't resigned then the trade is a waste. I just don't see AJ becoming what some people think he will become. Tillman is way too far away to have a real idea of what he can do.. and relievers are nice but can be replaced. I don't think this mortgaged the future at all. The M's still have some good prospects to hang their hats on(Triunfel,Clement,Aumont etc). As long as Bedard is resigned which he sounds willing to talk about it then the M's can build something around Erik and Felix. They prolly won't win it all this year obviously but its something to build on.

[Misfit]

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I like this deal for both clubs. The Orioles would just be wasting the prime of Bedard's career, who now with Santana gone, is competing with Sabathia for the title of best lefty in the American League. He'll be 29 in March so he's not really a young guy anymore and the Orioles would just be wasting money if they locked him up with a long-term deal.

The M's were not as good as their record from a year ago indicates. They had a lot of things go their way and managed to compete for most of the year before predictably fading away down the stretch. Had they come back with the same team from a year ago they likely would have been pressed to equal last year's win total. Jones and Sherrill are the only talents they are giving up that will make an impact in 2008. Sherrill is a 30-year old reliever with one good season under his belt a few years of mediocrity. It's hard to predict what kind of season he'll have in 2008 given relief pitching is often the hardest area of the game to guage. Jones looks like a great talent and someone I'll be paying close attention to whenever Baltimore is in town but I can't see him making enough of an impact on this year's Mariners club to keep them in contention. I look at this club with or without Jones and wonder where the run production is going to come from. Their only chance of winning seems to be with pitching. They have a good closer and a potential front of the rotation starter in Hernandez. By pairing him with Bedard they can cause a lot of trouble for opposing lineups. I hear the argument for defense but I don't see it as an issue here. Outfield defense is far less critical than infield defense. If Jones were a talented shortstop or third basemen I'd be more likely to buy into that but they should be able to get by in the outfield with whomever.

[spit_bubble]

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Bleh.. USSM is a bunch of complainers 24/7. They are negative about every single thing. Also their is a huge ego thing going on there.

Good God, USSM is awful. Bunch o' smart *** douche bags who think think they know it all. What a horrible existence.

Anyways... I think this is pretty much a fair trade. Seattle has two years to try and sign Bedard, which they'll hopefully do. He seems pretty happy to be here. If he doesn't want to sign they can trade him sometime in 2009.

Jones will be missed. He offered immediate help with his speed and defense, and it's safe to say he'll grow into a nice offensive player. But it's not like he was a stud or anything.

The three young pitchers aren't as big a deal as some may make them out to be. You never know what young arms will turn into. I remember just a few years ago the Ms had a highly touted crop of young pitchers in the minors (Travis Blackley, Clint Nageotte, among others), none of which panned out.

And George Sherrill... Yeah it's an important piece, but he sort of came out of nowhere last year. Gotta sell when the stock is high, that's the way it works.

The most important thing is this gives the Ms a chance to win the division and get to the post season.

EDIT: Those young pitchers mentioned (Blackley, etc.) were also closer to the majors than the three in this trade.