Collusion

[RandyMoss84]

Re: Collusion

As far as I know, Jeff Kent has never been the posterboy for cheating and corruption in baseball, nor has he ever been indicted by a grand jury for lying to the federal government under oath.

corruption? cheating? last i checked hes never been suspended

players have been signed after committing far worse crimes

[Psyblast]

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corruption? cheating? last i checked hes never been suspended

Right, he's totally innocent.

[RandyMoss84]

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Right, he's totally innocent.

yeah until proven guilty thats how America works

[elicoleman]

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yeah until proven guilty thats how America works

Yeah, no.

[P2K]

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yeah until proven guilty thats how America works

Not on here.


Here's your problem...you're talking to fans who can see past the bullcrap. You wanna do all this grandstanding and disputing, take it to MLB or something.

[mjb2124]

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yeah until proven guilty thats how America works

He already admitted to a grand jury that he took the cream and the clear...both steroids. That's cheating as far as I'm concerned.

[Psyblast]

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you're talking to fans who can see past the bullcrap.

Yeah, I blame the media. ESPN brainwashed me with all their anti-Barry campaigns.

Oh, wait...

[Alliball]

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Last I checked, baseball doesn't owe a single player anything, Barry Bonds included.

[ab713]

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The thing that bothers me is that mostly everybody here is against Bonds, but not anyone else. And I'm not talking about McGwire, Sosa, Palmerio, etc. I'm talking about every other player that has played in the majors the last 20 years. What makes players like Ripken, Gwynn, Bagwell, Biggio, Piazza, etc. better then the rest. Nobody knows whether or not any of these players, or any others, has taken steroids. They just assume that they didn't because there hasn't been anything said about them. I just don't see how anyone can judge one person over another in this era.

[Alliball]

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The thing that bothers me is that mostly everybody here is against Bonds, but not anyone else. And I'm not talking about McGwire, Sosa, Palmerio, etc. I'm talking about every other player that has played in the majors the last 20 years. What makes players like Ripken, Gwynn, Bagwell, Biggio, Piazza, etc. better then the rest. Nobody knows whether or not any of these players, or any others, has taken steroids. They just assume that they didn't because there hasn't been anything said about them. I just don't see how anyone can judge one person over another in this era.

While I am a Padre fan, seeing Gwynn's name is just funny. The only steroids that ever got into his body was from all the Popeye's chicken he ate.

[sportsdude]

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the OP is the biggest Bonds homer ever so it should be no surprise he would be the one to post this. I remember the BBT crew talked about this very issue on the air once and they could only come up with two or three teams that would have room for him in their lineup in addition to being able to sign him. Bonds would demand at least $15 for a 1-year contract which is absurd for a guy that would probably finish with 25 HR and 70 RBI at the DH spot. He's simply not worth the money he would be asking for, and that is why no team is signing him.

[ab713]

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While I am a Padre fan, seeing Gwynn's name is just funny. The only steroids that ever got into his body was from all the Popeye's chicken he ate.

Ha, I know what you mean. I am not implicating Gwynn, just saying that he was a player during this era, and because of that, he should receive the same critical eye that everyone else does because we don't know with any certainty which players "used".

[Blzer]

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Frankly, I'm just angry that the Giants didn't resign him. They've scored three runs in three games, which is pathetic. Instead, we're giving $126 million to a starter that can't locate below the belt and maxes out at 85 miles per hour. Instead, we still pay for some guy named... Rob something, I forget... Drake? Oh wait, Ray Durham. Yeah, the guy that batted .211 last year and is already defensively responsible for three runs credited to Los Angeles in this year. It's already a tie ballgame, 3 - 3.

Combine the fact that the Giants still have yet to homer, Roberts is still crap, and I would be satisfied if we drew a walk every so often or scored a run with less than two outs and a runner on third... I'd say that it's definitely worth $12 - $15 to have him back for one more year. Magowan will soon realize when they return to AT&T Park past Opening Day that he will not put fans in the stands without him.


I understand why no AL team has signed Bonds (because they all have designated hitters), so I can't blame them. But I think the Giants owe him at least one more year to get a chance for 3,000 hits. He's been nothing but decent to the city for the past four years.

[sportsdude]

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Frankly, I'm just angry that the Giants didn't resign him. They've scored three runs in three games, which is pathetic. Instead, we're giving $126 million to a starter that can't locate below the belt and consistently throws at 85 miles per hour. Instead, we still pay for some guy named... Rob something, I forget... Drake? Oh wait, Ray Durham. Yeah, the guy that batted .211 last year and is already defensively responsible for three runs credited to Los Angeles in this year. It's already a tie ballgame, 3 - 3.

Combine the fact that the Giants still have yet to homer, Roberts is still crap, and I would be satisfied if we drew a walk every so often or scored a run with less than two outs and a runner on third... I'd say that it's definitely worth $12 - $15 to have him back for one more year. Magowan will soon realize when they return to AT&T Park past Opening Day that he puts fans in the stands.


I understand why no AL team has signed Bonds (because they all have designated hitters), so I can't blame them. But I think the Giants owe him at least one more year to get a chance for 3,000 hits. He's been nothing but decent to the city for the past four years.

not to change the subject, but Magowan's biggest mistake was giving Zito that massive contract. That's probably a large part of the reason you see people like Brian Bocock, Kevin Frandsen, Rajai Davis and Eugenio Velez playing for the Giants.

[NEWYORICAN]

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not to change the subject, but Magowan's biggest mistake was giving Zito that massive contract. That's probably a large part of the reason you see people like Brian Bocock, Kevin Frandsen, Rajai Davis and Eugenio Velez playing for the Giants.

Wow!, Zito is making that much $$$?. That's crazy. He's good, but he ain't great! Oh well, I don't blame Zito, the stupid owner signed him and Zito is a happy puppy!! singing all the way to the bank!!

As for Bonds, he needs to lower the price he's asking for. I'm surprise "The Boss" is not interested in him..lol