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  • pfunk880
    MVP
    • Jul 2004
    • 4452

    #46
    Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

    Originally posted by Coug00
    Absolutely, there are a handful of good hitting pitchers in the league (Zambrano, Marquis, Willis, Owengs, etc). That's why I don't hate the non-DH in the NL...I'm glad both leagues have different rules. For as many good hitting pitchers, there are 5x that many bad hitting pitchers though. Ben Sheets gets a hit about once every other month...I don't enjoy watching that...at all.

    Another pro to the DH rule. Longer starts by starting pitchers.
    Hey, Sheets has already matched his hit total from all last season.
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    • Coug00
      LOB
      • Jul 2002
      • 3476

      #47
      Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

      Originally posted by zitomulder
      Actually I do, as I think it adds a lot more strategy to the game than the typical AL game. Where there is maybe one important decision per game.
      First off, to say there's one important decision per AL game is laughable.

      I also enjoy the deeper substitutional strategy aspect of the NL game. On the otherhand, I also enjoy the talent aspect of the game and it can be a bore at times watching a dude take his hacks who'd rather be putting on his jacket in the dugout to keep his arm warm. I will never understand DH bashers as long as each league keeps its own rules.

      Another plus to the addition of the DH. I love the dynamic that happens in the World Series watching the road team try to adjust to the other league's rule.

      One more plus is Edgar Martinez. Edgar alone was enough reason for the DH rule in my book.
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      • ZM Punk
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        • Feb 2003
        • 6260

        #48
        Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

        Originally posted by Coug00
        First off, to say there's one important decision per AL game is laughable.

        I also enjoy the deeper substitutional strategy aspect of the NL game. On the otherhand, I also enjoy the talent aspect of the game and it can be a bore at times watching a dude take his hacks who'd rather be putting on his jacket in the dugout to keep his arm warm. I will never understand DH bashers as long as each league keeps its own rules.

        Another plus to the addition of the DH. I love the dynamic that happens in the World Series watching the road team try to adjust to the other league's rule.

        One more plus is Edgar Martinez. Edgar alone was enough reason for the DH rule in my book.


        What is so laughable about it? An AL manager never has to face the choice of rather or not to pinch hit for a pitcher in the 7th inning of a 1-1 game. Never has to worry about double switches or running out of position players in an extra inning game. Doesn't have to decide if he wants his pitcher to bunt a runner over or swing away and try to drive the run in themselves.



        Just so much more strategy involved in National League games than American League games.
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        • Coug00
          LOB
          • Jul 2002
          • 3476

          #49
          Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

          Originally posted by zitomulder
          What is so laughable about it? An AL manager never has to face the choice of rather or not to pinch hit for a pitcher in the 7th inning of a 1-1 game. Never has to worry about double switches or running out of position players in an extra inning game. Doesn't have to decide if he wants his pitcher to bunt a runner over or swing away and try to drive the run in themselves.



          Just so much more strategy involved in National League games than American League games.
          Which league has more substitutional strategy isn't the argument. Never was.

          There are a lot more decisions in baseball besides the double switch, a bunting pitcher, etc. AL managers decisions can also be much harder than an NL managers. At times NL managers are forced to pinch hit for the pitchers in late situations, where as AL managers don't. The NL manager must put in a new pitcher, what does the AL manager do? Leave the starter out there to give it one more inning or put in the reliever?

          Saying the AL doesn't have much strategy is being near-sighted.
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          • snepp
            We'll waste him too.
            • Apr 2003
            • 10007

            #50
            Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

            Is being forced to pinch hit for a pitcher or being forced to make them bunt all that strategic? It appears to me that any decision that absolutely screams "no brainer" isn't terribly strategic at all. The bulk of the "strategic" decisions that deal with the pitcher at the plate don't require a whole lot of thought.
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            • ZM Punk
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              • Feb 2003
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              #51
              Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

              Originally posted by snepp
              Is being forced to pinch hit for a pitcher or being forced to make them bunt all that strategic? It appears to me that any decision that absolutely screams "no brainer" isn't terribly strategic at all. The bulk of the "strategic" decisions that deal with the pitcher at the plate don't require a whole lot of thought.


              I think a decision to either pinch hit for a pitcher that is pitching well in a close game is very strategic. Especially if your up a run. Do you pinch hit for him and try to get an insurance run or do you leave him in to finish the job and give your bullpen some rest.


              Or lets say the pitcher is at the plate with runners on first and second with one out. Do you let the pitcher swing away and go for the big inning or do you let him bunt the guys over 90 feet and hope the lead off man drives them in.


              Those are far from no brainers.
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              • fugazi
                MVP
                • Apr 2003
                • 3749

                #52
                Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                Originally posted by Coug00
                How exactly does Mussina come out as a douche?

                seriously?

                edit: I didn't take sarcasm into account...
                Last edited by fugazi; 06-17-2008, 08:47 PM.
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                • zjl630
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 379

                  #53
                  Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                  First off, I love the NL game because of the strategy (ie:manufacturing runs), all the AL runs come from HR and 2B.

                  Second, anybody watching the Cubs-Rays game? I thought it was hilarious when Bob Brenly said "any baseball player should be conditioned enough to run around the bases without falling apart."

                  Hank Steinbrenner needs to stop acting like he owns the Yankees and have his dad hire a real GM.

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                  • Coug00
                    LOB
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 3476

                    #54
                    Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                    Originally posted by fugazi
                    seriously?

                    edit: I didn't take sarcasm into account...
                    Well, I may have taken sarcasm into account too much. I didn't see the interview so I didn't hear his delivery of the comment, its just such a ridiculous comment I figured he had to be being sarcastic about the whole thing.

                    BTW...the comment about the AL scoring all their runs off of HR's and 2B's. The NL averages 6 more HR's per team. :wink:
                    Last edited by Coug00; 06-17-2008, 09:25 PM.
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                    • NYJets
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 18637

                      #55
                      Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                      Originally posted by zjl630

                      Hank Steinbrenner needs to stop acting like he owns the Yankees and have his dad hire a real GM.

                      Wait, what?
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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28962

                        #56
                        Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                        LOL, brilliant.
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                        • DTX3
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 13022

                          #57
                          Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                          Who the hell is this Hank Steinbrenner?
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                          • eXperiment63
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 3077

                            #58
                            Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                            The new jackass of the mlb.

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                            • snepp
                              We'll waste him too.
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 10007

                              #59
                              Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

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                              • snowmizer
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 388

                                #60
                                Re: Hank Steinbrenner calls out the NL for not having DH...

                                I, for one, am cutting Hank some slack... I know I wouldn't be uttering rational thoughts just after my Wang was injured.

                                {rimshot}








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