Thoughts On Adam Dunn?

[Sportsforever]

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I really don't understand the whole "he strikes out way to much" argument...there are a lot of .260 hitters out there who don't strike out as many times as Dunn, but they are still .260 hitters. I don't hear anyone saying "he hits into too many outs". I will take Dunn's .250-.260 avg and .380-.400 OBP with all that power seven days a week and twice on Sunday. A strikeout is an out...and I'd rather him do that than roll over a ground ball to 2B anyday.

[PhantomPain]

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I really don't understand the whole "he strikes out way to much" argument...there are a lot of .260 hitters out there who don't strike out as many times as Dunn, but they are still .260 hitters. I don't hear anyone saying "he hits into too many outs". I will take Dunn's .250-.260 avg and .380-.400 OBP with all that power seven days a week and twice on Sunday. A strikeout is an out...and I'd rather him do that than roll over a ground ball to 2B anyday.

Nice take...very good point!

[jake44np]

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I really don't understand the whole "he strikes out way to much" argument...there are a lot of .260 hitters out there who don't strike out as many times as Dunn, but they are still .260 hitters. I don't hear anyone saying "he hits into too many outs". I will take Dunn's .250-.260 avg and .380-.400 OBP with all that power seven days a week and twice on Sunday. A strikeout is an out...and I'd rather him do that than roll over a ground ball to 2B anyday.

Your not going to get that with Dunn 7 days a week and twice on Sundays because he is one of the streakest hitters alive.
I would take Dunn if he was consistant but he is not.
He is hitting pretty good right now but he went through a 3 week stretch earlier this year where he could not hit at all.

[doncoryell]

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A .900 career OPS and a career .381 OBP. Not many hitters in baseball today can claim that for as many games as he's had in his career.

[dkgojackets]

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Your not going to get that with Dunn 7 days a week and twice on Sundays because he is one of the streakest hitters alive.
I would take Dunn if he was consistant but he is not.
He is hitting pretty good right now but he went through a 3 week stretch earlier this year where he could not hit at all.

Winning 5 games in a row and then losing 5 straight has the same result as alternating wins an losses. Streaks are just something the media likes to build up.

[dkgojackets]

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A .900 career OPS and a career .381 OBP. Not many hitters in baseball today can claim that for as many games as he's had in his career.

Furthermore, among players 30 and younger with 3000 PA (just over 4 seasons about) only Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera, and Mark Teixeira have a higher career OPS than Dunn. Only Pujols and Cabrera have a higher OBP. He's with some nice offensive company.

[snepp]

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Furthermore, among players 30 and younger with 3000 PA (just over 4 seasons about) only Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera, and Mark Teixeira have a higher career OPS than Dunn. Only Pujols and Cabrera have a higher OBP. He's with some nice offensive company.

*yawn*

Page me when he quits clogging the bases and striking out so much.

[jake44np]

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Winning 5 games in a row and then losing 5 straight has the same result as alternating wins an losses. Streaks are just something the media likes to build up.

You couldnt be more wrong if you tried.
You cant count on Dunn all the time because he is way too streaky! (at bat and in the field)
I am a Reds season ticket holder and also watch almost every Reds away game on FSN and the guy goes through way too many cold streaks where he cant make contact at all.
Do I want the Reds to resign him yes, but it is only because he is their best option for next year. I know if they let him go they are not going to sign someone as good as him.
At this point I really think he is going to finish out the season and the Reds are not even going to try to resign him. I think they think the 2 draft picks they would get for him if he signs some where else is more then they can get for him now.
I am really surprised more teams are not trying to trade for him right now. I think he scares teams because they are afraid they will give too much for him and he will go into one of his slumps for the playoff run.

[dkgojackets]

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You think there is a difference between winning 5 games then losing 5 games and alternating a win/loss for ten games?

I see a 5-5 record both ways. Not sure how your math works out.

[jake44np]

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You think there is a difference between winning 5 games then losing 5 games and alternating a win/loss for ten games?

I see a 5-5 record both ways. Not sure how your math works out.

As usual you are not getting what I am saying, I am not talking about a team winning 5 games and then losing 5. I am talking about an inconsistent hitter going through weeks where he cant make contact.

[Sportsforever]

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As usual you are not getting what I am saying, I am not talking about a team winning 5 games and then losing 5. I am talking about an inconsistent hitter going through weeks where he cant make contact.

I really don't know of a hitter who isn't streaky...that is hitting in the major leagues. You get hot, you get cold, but in the end after 162 games your offensive value is shown. You will not find a lot of hitters who hit .300 straight through the year...

[dkgojackets]

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As usual you are not getting what I am saying, I am not talking about a team winning 5 games and then losing 5. I am talking about an inconsistent hitter going through weeks where he cant make contact.

and its averaged out by weeks where he absolutely kills the ball. Thats no different from going 0-4 one day then 4-5 than 0-3 then 3-3 etc.

Exactly like a team that balances out long winning streaks with long losing streaks.

[windseer90]

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I really don't know of a hitter who isn't streaky...that is hitting in the major leagues. You get hot, you get cold, but in the end after 162 games your offensive value is shown. You will not find a lot of hitters who hit .300 straight through the year...

Very good point. Even the best hitters in the game go through hot and cold spells. The thing about Dunn is he is such a patient hitter. That can help a team in so many ways than just one.

[Thrasha]

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Very good point. Even the best hitters in the game go through hot and cold spells. The thing about Dunn is he is such a patient hitter. That can help a team in so many ways than just one.

Exactly.

I'd much rather take the chance of Dunn K'ing looking or swinging, or the long ball, over a middle of the lineup who makes great contact, but runs the risk of running in to a double play.

[CMH]

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I want Dunn on my team and I really hope the Yankees take his big left handed bat and plug him in left field next season and move Nady to right field.

If other teams don't want his production, then that's their loss.

You guys can talk about steaks all you want but at the end of the day what matters is how you performed over the course of the season and if Dunn's OPS is still over .900 then who cares that he went cold? He was hot most of the time.

Guys like Dunn go cold for long periods and hot for longer periods. It's the same as a guy that goes warm for short periods, hot for short periods, and cold for short periods. At the end, it's the same result. It just looks different.

Not sure how anyone can look at average and ignore OBP. OBP includes average and then-some and if the guy's OBP is amazing, why does his average matter? He's getting on-base which by the way, is the freaking point of coming to the plate. And he does that while also hitting more homeruns than anybody in baseball over the past five years. So, he strikes out. Big whoop. He does so much when he makes contact, average players look like garbage next to him when you look at the overall numbers.

I'm making the claim right now. Dunn is the most underappreciated star in the game.

Dunn has a career 131 OPS+ and has a 138 OPS+ this season. You don't want to see him in the OF but he's an excellent hitter. My team will always have room for a slugger like Dunn.

Actually, he's not as bad a fielder as you think. He's rated as one of the better fielders in left.