Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

[fugazi]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

i think many of the yankee fans and the media are even more of a disappointment...

not all Yanks fans, of course, but those that looked at this team and held on to the idea that they were going to rise to the top have bad pattern-recognition skills. The blame-ARod game is silly. This monster was created by Steinbrenner/Cashman and it is awful. Yet some still seem shocked that they have not performed well, even in the face of loads of injuries...

Who would have thought they would have preferred Brosius, Leyritz, Bernie, O'neill and crew....

[CMH]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Yet some still seem shocked that they have not performed well, even in the face of loads of injuries...

That's a good point. A lot of Yankees fans are spoiled to believe that the Yankees are always supposed to be in the playoffs. And, they just can't understand that other teams play the game, too. I bet, right now, there are a number of fans that still don't want to believe that the Rays are for real and will be for a long time.

What I find more humorous is the comments. I read about so-called Yankees fans saying the Yankees suck because they wouldn't beat Boston 2 out of 3, though, they'd finish the season with 95 wins.

What are these fans thinking now?

[Village Idiot]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Tigers are only four games under?

Feels like 40.

Seriously, I watched about 30 games this year, and they lost like 25 of them.

[NYJets]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Probably the Tigers, but the Yankees have been bad. If they were losing because Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy were in the rotation going through some growing pains, that would be one thing. And if it was all the pitching you could blame it on the injuries to Wang and Joba. But the offense should not be this bad

[Chaos81]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Tigers are only four games under?

I find it more amazing that the Indians are only 2 games under .500. They've won 16 out of their last 19.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

The Tigers by far. They had everything set up for them to win but yet they can't.

[Dice]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

The Tigers. When they got Cabrera, they became the self anointed AL Central Champs. Most people was anointing them the AL pennant winners. I wasn't buying it back then.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Tigers.

But the Indians had probably both Cy Young winners in their rotation and do not have a winning record. I'd say the Indians are a bigger disappointment than the Yanks.

[rsox]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Tigers.

But the Indians had probably both Cy Young winners in their rotation and do not have a winning record. I'd say the Indians are a bigger disappointment than the Yanks.

Maybe, but i don't think anyone would have predicted back in january that Cliff Lee would be a 20 game winner this season. Plus you have an Indians team that was not a great offensive team to begin with and take two of their best hitters out of the lineup for most of the season and it's no wonder why they have struggled.

The Yankees will be considered a bigger disappointment than the Indians just because they're the Yankees. The Yankees expect, or at least are expected to win the World Series every year and anything other than that is unacceptable to their fans and the New York media.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

The Yankees will be considered a bigger disappointment than the Indians just because they're the Yankees. The Yankees expect, or at least are expected to win the World Series every year and anything other than that is unacceptable to their fans and the New York media.

It depends on what we are talking about here. Most people pretty much knew that the Yanks were probably going to be chasing the WC.

I think you could make a point in saying Yankee fans are more disappointed in their season than Indians fans because they are more hardcore. But the Indians were supposed to be legit World Series contenders.

[rsox]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

It depends on what we are talking about here. Most people pretty much knew that the Yanks were probably going to be chasing the WC.

I think you could make a point in saying Yankee fans are more disappointed in their season than Indians fans because they are more hardcore. But the Indians were supposed to be legit World Series contenders.

One thing Indians fans should take into consideration is the teams history under Eric Wedge. They went from bad-to mediocre-to good-back to mediocre-back to good-and now back to mediocre. So if anything the team is performing true to form under their current manager.
Now that is not to say that there is not some good talent on Indians but it doesn't seem like Wedge is able to utilize it for more than a year every couple of years.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

One thing Indians fans should take into consideration is the teams history under Eric Wedge. They went from bad-to mediocre-to good-back to mediocre-back to good-and now back to mediocre. So if anything the team is performing true to form under their current manager.
Now that is not to say that there is not some good talent on Indians but it doesn't seem like Wedge is able to utilize it for more than a year every couple of years.

Eric Wedge has been the problem for years.

Last year he got very blessed with a great bully. His "We've got to keep grinding." speeches have gotten tired with media, fan and players alike.

[ehh]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Eric Wedge has been the problem for years.

Last year he got very blessed with a great bully. His "We've got to keep grinding." speeches have gotten tired with media, fan and players alike.

I'd imagine most speeches get tired in baseball, there are friggen 200 game a year if you include Spring Training and if your club makes the playoffs. There's only so much you can say.

[av7]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Tigers with the chatter about Dontrelle and Miguel coming on board over there.

[The_Beastmaster]

Re: Bigger disappointment in '08: Yankees or Tigers?

Yankees are still in the playoff hunt, so they are not so much of a surprise...
But the Tigers, not being in the playoff hunt, are a big surprise.
I figured the Twins would have a slight chance this year, but I'm a bit Twins biased.

Either way... one lesson that should have been learned by everyone by now:
Paying big bucks for known players does not = a pennant, let alone a playoff spot.
For those who bought into the Tigers being such a great team, how do you justify their being expected to be so much better than the Red Sox and/or Yankees? All 3 have large salaries, etc. and for that matter, it is possible (unlikely though) but possible that all 3 could miss the playoffs this year.