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  • BaldEaglePride
    Rookie
    • Mar 2003
    • 339

    #1

    All-Star Break: Report

    Okay, so I've completed 96 games of an MVP franchise on the XBOX (all played ... none simmed), reaching the all-star break in my quest to win my beloved Chicago Cubs that "elusive" World Series ring. All-in-all the game is still quite fun, but as for realism, the results are a mixed-bag.

    First, let me give a quick run-down of my stats, and then I'll give my impressions of the gameplay as my season has progressed.

    Game Settings: All-Star, Manual fielding, 2 - Center batting view, Strike Zone - On, Pitching Cursor - Fade

    Chicago Cubs 72 W, 24 L

    C. Patterson .298 AVG, 2 HR, 19 RBI, 26 SB
    A. Gonzalez .281 AVG, 6 HR, 50 RBI, 0 SB
    S. Sosa .345 AVG, 55 HR, 122 RBI, 5 SB
    M. Alou .249 AVG, 3 HR, 32 RBI, 0 SB
    M. Bellhorn .304 AVG, 11 HR, 47 RBI, 1 SB
    H. Choi .234 AVG, 0 HR, 24 RBI, 0 SB
    B. Hill .281 AVG, 0 HR, 15 RBI, 2 SB
    P. Bako .265 AVG, 0 HR, 18 RBI, 0 SB

    K. Wood 11 W, 4 L, 2.27 ERA, 123 K, 0 HR
    M. Prior 14 W, 3 L, 2.09 ERA, 82 K, 1 HR
    S. Estes 8 W, 1 L, 2.32 ERA, 57 K, 2 HR
    M. Clement 12 W, 4 L, 2.73 ERA, 42 K, 1 HR
    C. Zambrano 12 W, 0 L, 1.67 ERA, 66 K, 1 HR
    A. Alfonseca 1 W, 0 L, 44 S, 0.77 ERA, 34 K, 0 HR

    First, let me say, that the hitting stats are the most realistic (not necessarily accurate) that I've seen for my particular skill level ... and that includes High Heat. I never could find a happy medium with HH. I would either get too many hits on one skill setting, or far too few on the next highest level. But that's enough about HH. I actually have a few every day players with a batting average under .280. This is terrific, as far as gameplay goes!! Sosa's 55 dingers are slightly too many, while Bellhorn's 11 are about right. I have to say that I'm quite pleased with the batting statistics I've accumulated on what I would consider an arcade-style baseball simulation.

    As for pitching, though ... AHHH Pitching! Well, if EA makes some improvements in this area next year, they could have a real treat for baseball fans!

    Winning 75% of my games, even while having a pitching staff with tremendous potential, is just far too many. I attribute this to the lack of homeruns I give up. I've only given up 10 total in 96 games. Most of my ERAs are in the 2.00 to 2.50 range. Again, if the CPU hit homeruns, this would be a very different story. Most of my games are really close, as evidenced by Alfonseca's 44 saves. If the CPU could've hit HRs in half of those, my record could easily be 52 - 44 ... a much more believable record. But, as it is, the CPU has to manufacture just about every run it gets, requiring the CPU to get 2 or 3, sometimes 4, hits in an inning before scoring a single run. CPU HRs would definitely result in more losses for me.

    I've thought about why I don't give up many HRs, and it's mostly because I like to pitch the corners, and I make very few mistake pitches. The game does not do enough to "force" me to throw toward the heart of the plate, as I can locate an overwhelming majority of my pitches with laser-like accuracy. If EA can address this, they'll have a real winner in my book.

    So, I thought about what EA could do to improve this ... in my opinion, of course. First, I feel that if they increase the speed of the accuracy meter for pitches, that would result in more "tipped" pitches and potentially better contact by the CPU. And I'm not talking about a flat increase in speed either, as it will be too easy to get the timing down. No, I'm talking about if you miss by a little, the meter goes a little faster ... and if you miss by alot, then it goes alot faster. This will make it tougher to get the timing down.

    I like that the green accuracy area varies in size based on how well a pitcher pitches a certain pitch. I also like that it decreases in size when a pitcher goes into the red zone for pitch effectiveness. But, at least for me, it's too easy to hit that green area ... even when it is small. This is mostly due to the constant rate at which the meter indicator travels back-and-forth. But there is another thing EA could do, even if someone is able to hit the green zones with relative frequency to increase a human pitcher's reluctance to pitch the corners all the time. That is to require a pitcher to hit the exact middle of the green accuracy zone to pitch a perfect pitch. If the indicator is even slightly off-center, then the pitch will miss the "target" by a small degree. It seems that this is done to a very (and I mean VERY) small degree now. If this is expanded upon so that the accuracy of a pitch is measured in inches (relative of course) rather than centimeters, I think human pitchers will see more pitches at the corners miss the strike zone, resulting in pitches thrown closer to the heart of the plate to ensure strikes on batter-favorable counts ... and potentially resulting in better contact by the CPU.

    Anyway, this was a nice first effort for a new engine by EA. Much better than the TP series. If they address the majority of the problem areas you'll see posted in this forum, they could have a great game on their hands.

    Just my thoughts. I think it's time to dust off WSB 2K3 and give it a try, seeing as how I bought both.
  • **DONOTDELETE**
    Hall Of Fame
    • Oct 2025
    • 19598

    #2
    Re: All-Star Break: Report

    55HRs in 96games on AllStar? hmmm....... i'll wait until i get to the break in my season and let you know if i think you're lying.


    j/k but that does sound a little dodgy

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    • **DONOTDELETE**
      Hall Of Fame
      • Oct 2025
      • 19598

      #3
      Re: All-Star Break: Report

      55HRs in 96games on AllStar? hmmm....... i'll wait until i get to the break in my season and let you know if i think you're lying.


      j/k but that does sound a little dodgy

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      • BaldEaglePride
        Rookie
        • Mar 2003
        • 339

        #4
        Re: All-Star Break: Report

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        55HRs in 96games on AllStar? hmmm....... i'll wait until i get to the break in my season and let you know if i think you're lying.


        j/k but that does sound a little dodgy

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        I can certainly understand your skepticism. Given the difficulty in hitting HRs, it doesn't seem possible, does it? I cannot hit HRs with anyone else, except Bellhorn though.

        With Sammy, for some reason, the CPU throws a number of "tipped" pitches. I've seen as many as 3 "tipped" pitches to Sosa per game. I cannot explain why, but I definitely see more thrown to him than any other of my hitters. Maybe it's the CPU trying to be careful with Sosa and missing its "accuracy meter." But, whenever I see a "tipped" pitch with Sosa, I crush about 85% of them. It also helps that he has alot of hot zones ... especially against lefties.

        No real luck hitting HRs with the other hitters though.

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        • BaldEaglePride
          Rookie
          • Mar 2003
          • 339

          #5
          Re: All-Star Break: Report

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          55HRs in 96games on AllStar? hmmm....... i'll wait until i get to the break in my season and let you know if i think you're lying.


          j/k but that does sound a little dodgy

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          I can certainly understand your skepticism. Given the difficulty in hitting HRs, it doesn't seem possible, does it? I cannot hit HRs with anyone else, except Bellhorn though.

          With Sammy, for some reason, the CPU throws a number of "tipped" pitches. I've seen as many as 3 "tipped" pitches to Sosa per game. I cannot explain why, but I definitely see more thrown to him than any other of my hitters. Maybe it's the CPU trying to be careful with Sosa and missing its "accuracy meter." But, whenever I see a "tipped" pitch with Sosa, I crush about 85% of them. It also helps that he has alot of hot zones ... especially against lefties.

          No real luck hitting HRs with the other hitters though.

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          • MizzouRah
            All Star
            • Jul 2002
            • 8541

            #6
            Re: All-Star Break: Report

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            With Sammy, for some reason, the CPU throws a number of "tipped" pitches. I've seen as many as 3 "tipped" pitches to Sosa per game. I cannot explain why, but I definitely see more thrown to him than any other of my hitters. Maybe it's the CPU trying to be careful with Sosa and missing its "accuracy meter." But, whenever I see a "tipped" pitch with Sosa, I crush about 85% of them. It also helps that he has alot of hot zones ... especially against lefties.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            After reading this a couple of times, let me tell you 'congratulations'! You just figured out how the game keeps the stats fairly accurate....maybe.

            Meaning, I would bet that this is built into the code of the game. How do you account for the lack of homeruns or how do you represent more homers for players like Sosa, Bonds, and other power hitters? Easy, if you're the computer, you groove more pitches. Either that or MAYBE higher contact/power numbers equal more 'tipped' pitches?

            Hmmm.. you got me thinking.
            Rookie = more 'tipped' pitches than Pro and Pro has more than All-Star?

            I hope the players ratings equal more 'tipped' pitches. If it did that (tipped pitches) just to keep stats fairly realistic, it would ruin it for me. Although I have noticed this with Edmonds, Rolen, and Puljos. Interesting.

            Todd

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            • MizzouRah
              All Star
              • Jul 2002
              • 8541

              #7
              Re: All-Star Break: Report

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              With Sammy, for some reason, the CPU throws a number of "tipped" pitches. I've seen as many as 3 "tipped" pitches to Sosa per game. I cannot explain why, but I definitely see more thrown to him than any other of my hitters. Maybe it's the CPU trying to be careful with Sosa and missing its "accuracy meter." But, whenever I see a "tipped" pitch with Sosa, I crush about 85% of them. It also helps that he has alot of hot zones ... especially against lefties.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              After reading this a couple of times, let me tell you 'congratulations'! You just figured out how the game keeps the stats fairly accurate....maybe.

              Meaning, I would bet that this is built into the code of the game. How do you account for the lack of homeruns or how do you represent more homers for players like Sosa, Bonds, and other power hitters? Easy, if you're the computer, you groove more pitches. Either that or MAYBE higher contact/power numbers equal more 'tipped' pitches?

              Hmmm.. you got me thinking.
              Rookie = more 'tipped' pitches than Pro and Pro has more than All-Star?

              I hope the players ratings equal more 'tipped' pitches. If it did that (tipped pitches) just to keep stats fairly realistic, it would ruin it for me. Although I have noticed this with Edmonds, Rolen, and Puljos. Interesting.

              Todd

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              • Cincyez
                Rookie
                • Mar 2003
                • 373

                #8
                Re: All-Star Break: Report

                33-20 n my Franchise with the Reds on ALL-STAR

                Griffey - .362 BA - 56 RBI - 22 HR - 24 2B

                I hope its realistic!

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                • Cincyez
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 373

                  #9
                  Re: All-Star Break: Report

                  33-20 n my Franchise with the Reds on ALL-STAR

                  Griffey - .362 BA - 56 RBI - 22 HR - 24 2B

                  I hope its realistic!

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                  • JagonDragon
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 4

                    #10
                    Re: All-Star Break: Report

                    I am also playing a season with my Cubbies. The one stat that jumps out at me is the stolen bases with Patterson. His stats seem good, and even the announcers praise him on his baserunning/stealing ability but I am serious when I say I get thrown out stealing with him at a 90% clip.

                    I believe my current record is 21 - 9 or so, but I've restarted my season several times. One thing I've also noticed is that Choi is second on the team in batting average only behind Sosa. 80% of his hits are bloopers however because I can't even send a "grooved" pitch to the wall with Choi.

                    I am typically seeing the same results with homeruns. Sosa and Bellhorn. Patterson may have 2..... I see those "tipped" or "grooved" pitches with Sosa alot as well. I normally have to take a few to get deeper into the count but he hits extroadinarly well deep in the count with or without "tipped" pitches. I recently played against the Rockies and was suprised but smiling to see their pitcher throw 4 straight "tipped" pitches to 4 different batters! I think there were 2 homeruns and 2 doubles from that.....he was immediately pulled.

                    The cubs hitting is pure weak. I haven't even put any thought into playing another team as I am a die-hard Cub fan, but stacked up against similar teams such as the Cardinals or 'Stros and it's easy to understand the disadvantage of having one real home threat on the team.

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                    • JagonDragon
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 4

                      #11
                      Re: All-Star Break: Report

                      I am also playing a season with my Cubbies. The one stat that jumps out at me is the stolen bases with Patterson. His stats seem good, and even the announcers praise him on his baserunning/stealing ability but I am serious when I say I get thrown out stealing with him at a 90% clip.

                      I believe my current record is 21 - 9 or so, but I've restarted my season several times. One thing I've also noticed is that Choi is second on the team in batting average only behind Sosa. 80% of his hits are bloopers however because I can't even send a "grooved" pitch to the wall with Choi.

                      I am typically seeing the same results with homeruns. Sosa and Bellhorn. Patterson may have 2..... I see those "tipped" or "grooved" pitches with Sosa alot as well. I normally have to take a few to get deeper into the count but he hits extroadinarly well deep in the count with or without "tipped" pitches. I recently played against the Rockies and was suprised but smiling to see their pitcher throw 4 straight "tipped" pitches to 4 different batters! I think there were 2 homeruns and 2 doubles from that.....he was immediately pulled.

                      The cubs hitting is pure weak. I haven't even put any thought into playing another team as I am a die-hard Cub fan, but stacked up against similar teams such as the Cardinals or 'Stros and it's easy to understand the disadvantage of having one real home threat on the team.

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                      • The_Hawk
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 216

                        #12
                        Re: All-Star Break: Report

                        The thing that bothers me about the stats is it seems like average players have little or no chance of hitting a HR. After 96 games, Choi, Hill, and Bako have combined to hit ZERO homers. That is just absurd and I hope it is fixed in next year's game. Choi or Bako have no business having 1/2 as many homers as Sosa, but you would think after 96 games they would have at least one.

                        This sort of takes some of the fun out of the game when you start to realize that some of you players have absolutely no chance of ever hitting a homer.

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                        • The_Hawk
                          Rookie
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 216

                          #13
                          Re: All-Star Break: Report

                          The thing that bothers me about the stats is it seems like average players have little or no chance of hitting a HR. After 96 games, Choi, Hill, and Bako have combined to hit ZERO homers. That is just absurd and I hope it is fixed in next year's game. Choi or Bako have no business having 1/2 as many homers as Sosa, but you would think after 96 games they would have at least one.

                          This sort of takes some of the fun out of the game when you start to realize that some of you players have absolutely no chance of ever hitting a homer.

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                          • MizzouRah
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 8541

                            #14
                            Re: All-Star Break: Report

                            Yeah, I have a few players who, after 40+ games, don't have a HR either.

                            Todd

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                            • MizzouRah
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 8541

                              #15
                              Re: All-Star Break: Report

                              Yeah, I have a few players who, after 40+ games, don't have a HR either.

                              Todd

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