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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203
    #31
    Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

    Originally posted by ehh
    Not to these sabremetric nuts.
    Haha, exactly.

    I choose to ignore any argument involving errors and fielding percentage. Terrible metrics.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • Trevytrev11
        MVP
        • Nov 2006
        • 3259
        #32
        Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

        Originally posted by YankeePride
        Haha, exactly.

        I choose to ignore any argument involving errors and fielding percentage. Terrible metrics.
        I agree. What do errors and fielding % tell you? That a player can't field? Can't throw? or Both?

        If errors were based strictly on booted balls, it would a strong measure of how well a players glove actually is. It would measure how good or bad of a job he did on fielding balls cleanly that he got to.

        It won't tell you how good his range is, how well he positions himself or what kind of jumps he gets on balls, but it would tell you how good he was at fielding balls that he was able to get a glove on.

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          • ryanm1058123
            Banned
            • Jan 2004
            • 3628
            #33
            Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

            Up until this year he was the worst fielder in the MLB. This year he brought himself up to being mediocre. Added some range.

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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203
                #34
                Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

                Originally posted by Trevytrev11
                I agree. What do errors and fielding % tell you? That a player can't field? Can't throw? or Both?

                If errors were based strictly on booted balls, it would a strong measure of how well a players glove actually is. It would measure how good or bad of a job he did on fielding balls cleanly that he got to.

                It won't tell you how good his range is, how well he positions himself or what kind of jumps he gets on balls, but it would tell you how good he was at fielding balls that he was able to get a glove on.
                Ha, and that is exactly what errors tell you. The problem is that most fans think it also tells you if a player can throw and field, his range, his positioning, and his jump.

                We know it doesn't.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                  • Coug00
                    LOB
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 3476
                    #35
                    Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

                    The other problem with errors is that there's human judgment involved with them. Jim the scorekeeper in Houston calls the play an error on Tejada, while Bob the scorekeeper in New York calls the exact same play a hit (letting Jeter off the hook). Errors suck and really don't tell you much of anything.
                    Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists Association

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                      • CMH
                        Making you famous
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 26203
                        #36
                        Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

                        Originally posted by Coug00
                        The other problem with errors is that there's human judgment involved with them. Jim the scorekeeper in Houston calls the play an error on Tejada, while Bob the scorekeeper in New York calls the exact same play a hit (letting Jeter off the hook). Errors suck and really don't tell you much of anything.
                        Another excellent point.
                        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                          • theaub
                            Stop! Homer Time!
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 9643
                            #37
                            Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

                            Michael Young just won a gold glove.

                            Shoot me now
                            Blue Jays, Blackhawks, Auburn

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                              • snepp
                                We'll waste him too.
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 10007
                                #38
                                Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

                                Originally posted by theaub
                                Michael Young just won a gold glove.

                                Shoot me now
                                Jorge Cantu and Edwin Encarnacion are getting their agents to add Gold Glove bonuses into their contracts as we speak.
                                Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists Association

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                                  • dkgojackets
                                    Banned
                                    • Mar 2005
                                    • 13816
                                    #39
                                    Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

                                    my god, I didnt think I would see anyone butcher third base as much as Cabrera did for a while, but Cantu came right in and and exceeded all expectations.

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                                      • rsox
                                        All Star
                                        • Feb 2003
                                        • 6309
                                        #40
                                        Re: Study: MLB's worst fielder is Derek Jeter

                                        Originally posted by dkgojackets
                                        my god, I didnt think I would see anyone butcher third base as much as Cabrera did for a while, but Cantu came right in and and exceeded all expectations.
                                        Hence why he will be moving to First Base next season.

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