A-Rod tested positive for 'roids in '03

[albsur2003]

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I don't really believe that A-Rod only took steroids from 2001-2003. From 1999-2003 seems more like it. That's around the time when people saw what type of fanfare, celebrity, and money roided guys like Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa were getting after the memorable summer of 1998. It seems like 1998-2000 was when steroids really became mainstream for players. But if he says 2001-2003 then I'll take him at his word. Even though, he would have NEVER come out and said anything if he wasn't exposed. I just can't believe that if those tests were destroyed the public would have NEVER known anything and A-Rod would continue to be one of the greatest "clean" hitters ever. The ironic thing is that he probably was WITHOUT the roids. I have to commend A-Rod for at least treating the public like it has some type of intelligence and not lying to us further like Bonds or Clemens. I do think that he's probably been clean since he's been a Yankee. But it's just hard to imagine how the "pressure" that made him take roids in Texas even compares to New York. Maybe just the aura of being a Yankee, how important it is, and the growing sentiment against steroids in 2003 made him think "OK, I have to do this clean." With all that being said, let's face it, his 2007 was his greatest season and one of the best hitting seasons in the history of baseball. And according to the rules, he was clean. Even if you take out those three years from 2001-2003, he's still a first ballot HOFer.

[Jet Sufferer]

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You got me. I have no idea what the heck you're trying to say.

Alex admitted to using from 2001-2003.

I merely mentioned that as long as Alex admits to using then he's taking the right step. Then you get on me because you're saying he'd be lying if he said only one year. That really wasn't the point of my comment.

But, you probably know my point better than me since you've been right time and time again about everything.

Listening to the radio, I first heard a report that it was only in 2003, then a report from 2001-2003, more journalistic incompetence in the rush to be first with the story.

You responded to me saying "Do you really believe Pettitte only took HGH once" Even though I posted that they all lie and will only admit to what they get caught with red-handed. Your response implied that I believed that even though I said the opposite. So I guess you really didn't get what I was trying to say, no harm, no foul.

I posted a picture of A-Rod a couple of weeks ago showing fatty deposits in his chest like an anabolic user and that combined with his stats I would have to say if push comes to shove, yes, he's a user, even with no "hard" proof. Which we have now.

I've had these conversations going back well over a decade knowing full well who was on drugs and surmising with friends about when we would know. The best we could figure was that if their suppliers were busted would be the only way we would ever have proof because TESTING IS A JOKE.

As it turned out BALCO got busted and names turned up, doctors got busted and names turned up, etc. "Testing" only exposed the dummies who were dumb enough to get caught.

[WazzuRC]

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That's right. Come to think of it, didn't Gagne play for the Rangers as well?

There is lot's of good **** in the Arlington area! You just have to know where to look.

Well it's right next to Mexico so it would make sense.

[ZB9]

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I know you're a Clemens fanboy but come on. They don't have any positive tests on McGwire either. I am a McGwire fan but I'm not naive to the fact that he juiced.

McGwire didnt deny it

Clemens let his trainer inject his naked wife's *** with HGH but Clemens didn't do it. LMAO. Yeah right.

lol she wasnt naked, and she admitted to using it for a photo shoot. Folks would be suprised at how many women take that stuff, especially models.

[vernond]

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I know you're a Clemens fanboy but come on. They don't have any positive tests on McGwire either. I am a McGwire fan but I'm not naive to the fact that he juiced.

Clemens let his trainer inject his naked wife's *** with HGH but Clemens didn't do it. LMAO. Yeah right.

It pains me to think Mcgwire did it. I have even rationalized to myself why he was the one guy who could have been clean. He went from 215 as a rookie to 250 or 260 that's possible not 180 or 190 to 250 like Bonds. Even though i know he probably isn't So I understand why you wouldn't want to believe Clemens juiced but that is just being unrealistic thinking Clemens didn't do it. Pettite did it and admitted Mcnamme was right but he's lying about Clemens, Mcnamee shot up Clemens wife but not him, dna on the syringes, He's going to get nailed on perjury charges sooner or later.

[BigDofBA]

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McGwire didnt deny it



lol she wasnt naked, and she admitted to using it for a photo shoot. Folks would be suprised at how many women take that stuff, especially models.

In my head she was.

[CMH]

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Agreed.

In the Gammons interview A-rod said that he didn't know for sure what he took. Yeah right. Give me a freaking break. I'm not stupid.

He said he didn't know what kind of steroid it was. Not that he didn't know what he was putting into his body.

You've seen the names of those things. Seems logical that he would forget what they were called.

[ezekiel55]

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I heard something interesting on the radio today from a legal expert on one of the sports talk shows here in Chicago.

He proposed that rather than having an asterisk next to the modern day players names we do it to the old time player's (sometime before the 1980's) names, stating that they were accomplishing these type of stats without the cloud of steroids over their head...basically noting it was a pre-steroid era.

He went on to say that, if asterisks are put next to players names during the steroid era that most players would file suit against Cooperstown and could end up in uneeded litigation and long drawn out legal battles.

Just throwing that out there, even though its far-fetched...interesting idea though.

[CMH]

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I also don't buy the fact he didn't even know he tested positive until he was told this weekend so that means he wasn't lying to Katie Couric because he didn't know the truth and he didn't know for sure what he was taking because it was such a "loose" culture. That's what i find to be the biggest lie of all. The only truth you're gonna get out of these guys is the one thing they are caught on. This is all just my opinion of course.

I'm confused.

Because he didn't know for sure if he passed or failed the test, that means he wasn't lying to Couric about taking steroids? That doesn't make sense.

1. He didn't know if he passed or failed. That seems to make sense since the testing was anonymous. MLB isn't going to go to the guy and say, "You failed." They weren't supposed to know.

2. He told Couric that he lied to himself about taking steroids so he was obviously going to lie to her.

Not sure how those two things are directly related at all.

[spyder23]

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A-ROID chants will make it into The Show this year, along with the A-FRAUD!

Those are awesome monikers! I've never heard those before.
Did you come up with them all by yourself?

Jesus.

[Jet Sufferer]

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It pains me to think Mcgwire did it. I have even rationalized to myself why he was the one guy who could have been clean. He went from 215 as a rookie to 250 or 260 that's possible not 180 or 190 to 250 like Bonds. Even though i know he probably isn't So I understand why you wouldn't want to believe Clemens juiced but that is just being realistic thinking Clemens didn't do it. Pettite did it and admitted Mcnamme was right but he's lying about Clemens, Mcnamee shot up Clemens wife but not him, dna on the syringes, He's going to get nailed on perjury charges sooner or later.

215 to 250-260 is NOT possible without drugs when you're talking about pure muscle, fat, yes, I've done that journey, lol.

I wish I had a nickel for every time I've read/heard going back at least 20 years about such and such athlete putting on 20-30 pounds of pure muscle in the offseason, impossible without juicing. Also the bragging of such and such athlete who is down to a certain percent of body fat in his 30's. To me they were just screaming, "I'm doing steroids now!" To most people it was wow, great job, these new "training methods" are unbelievable, "guys really watch what they eat now" etc.

[Brandon13]

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I'm confused.

Because he didn't know for sure if he passed or failed the test, that means he wasn't lying to Couric about taking steroids? That doesn't make sense.

1. He didn't know if he passed or failed. That seems to make sense since the testing was anonymous. MLB isn't going to go to the guy and say, "You failed." They weren't supposed to know.

2. He told Couric that he lied to himself about taking steroids so he was obviously going to lie to her.

Not sure how those two things are directly related at all.

Jason Grimsley and another player said they were notified they failed a test in '03. I don't know why they would be told they failed but Arod was told he might or might not have failed. Just doesn't make any sense to me.

[jim416]

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"To be quite honest, I don't know exactly what substance I was guilty of using," Rodriguez said.

And I have STUPID written across my forehead. Please, if you're going to admit it, admit it, don't give us this "I put a substance in my body not knowing what it was" bull.

[spyder23]

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I would bet anything that Manny is clean.

Well... as clean as you can get.

lol, yeah ok bro.

I'm sure Manny, Ortiz, Piazza, Belle, Thome are/were all "clean".
Give me a break.

Have you ever actually seen a picture of Manny Ramirez in 1993 or 1994? The $hitstorm is just beginning. Just watch.

[SPTO]

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At least A-Rod came out and told (mostly) the truth today. I don't think he's going to get the free pass that Giambi and Pettite got though. This guy was supposed to be the knight in shining armor for MLB and then he craps all over that possibility with this. I still think he's going to face a ton of scrutiny and I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a sub par year as he's the kind of guy that lets outside pressure get to him.