A-Rod tested positive for 'roids in '03

[SPTO]

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People who are speaking asterisk. I think you can't really do that cause unlike the Olympics you could dope in MLB and not get penalized until recently so you can't really take away records if MLB didn't enforce now if they were enforcing it for a while then yeah sure but MLB turned their heads

So I guess all those East German and Soviet Bloc country athletes that juiced up in the Olympics back in the day before it was Illegal still have their World Records and Olympic Records? Last I checked they don't.

I don't like the wishy washy retroactive argument that some people give because even then you're wrong regarding baseball's stance about the issue. Steroids was put on MLB's banned list in '89 when Fay Vincent was Comish but like everything controversial that MLB gets involved in they never really put any teeth to it. So all these roiders and HGH users were treading on seriously bad ground but they knew they could get away with it at the time because MLB, just like the NFL today would never throw its stars under the bus.

This is why all the pro sports leagues need independent 3rd party testing but that's another kettle of fish.

Back to A-Rod and you're argument here, let's suppose it REALLY wasn't against MLB rules it's against the rules of the United States of America. I think the laws of the land trump the laws of a professional sports league. These people knew what they were doing, it was only a matter of time catching up to them (I.E. suffering like Lyle Alzado and those Soviet Bloc athletes or being implicated in criminal investigations) These guys made their beds they'll have to lie in it.

Simple as that.

[LingeringRegime]

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The most offensive part of this story, and Bonds' story, and Clemens' story, is just the hubris and arrogance of it all. You're not talking about fringe players who feel like they need to take steroids to keep themselves in the game, you're talking about superstars who just aren't satisfied with being superstars and need to make themselves bigger than the game. On top of the money these players are making compared to average Americans, that side of this story is just sickening and offensive to me.

I wonder who the other 103 guys are....

Couldn't agree more with you. I think they have lied to themselves so much about the whole thing, that they actually think they are telling the truth. Sickening.

[albsur2003]

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Quite honestly, as a baseball fan, my heart is crushed. I was banking on A-Rod being clean. The guy came right out of the minors and hit for power from the get go. I guess maybe we should have all seen it coming though. Texas Rangers can't stay away from steroids. Eventually more names will leak out too. I'd bet that if any more big names come out they will probably be Clemens and Pujols. I just don't know when this crap will end. If something comes out about Griffey or Manny, I don't know what I'll do.

On a sidenote, are we supposed to assume that A-Rod is still on something? He tested positive in 2003 and hit .298-47HR-118RBI-17SB. In 2007, he was tested for roids like everyone else and was clean. He hit .313-54HR-156RBI-24SB. Those numbers are absolutely ridiculous and considerably higher than his roid fueled MVP 2003 season. Have these ball players figured out some other way to enhance their performance that can't be tested yet? Or was A-Rod really just that damn good clean and ruined his legacy with steroids he didn't need anyway?

[Brandon13]

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The most offensive part of this story, and Bonds' story, and Clemens' story, is just the hubris and arrogance of it all. You're not talking about fringe players who feel like they need to take steroids to keep themselves in the game, you're talking about superstars who just aren't satisfied with being superstars and need to make themselves bigger than the game. On top of the money these players are making compared to average Americans, that side of this story is just sickening and offensive to me.

I don't even think a distinction needs to be made between the Bonds/Clemens type players and the fringe players just trying to survive spring training. Both groups are motivated by the same two things: money and becoming a better player at any cost.

[Kashanova]

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GUILTY!! Not even a question, if we had a magic truth serum I would gladly bet my house, my soul and my dog on Sosa juicing. It's like a 500 pound person saying they've never ingested more than 1000 calories in a day in their lifetime.

Guilty until proven innocent is my M.O.

[Mo]

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So let try to understand this, Arod tested positive during the 2003 "survey testing," now if I recall correctly this test was done to see if MLB should have random testing.
During this time I remember hearing that most of Chicago White Sox team would not take the test, resulting in a "positive," test so that testing would come in.

So my question to the rest of you, Is this an actual positive test or a no show test, for Arod and the others on this list?

[SPTO]

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The most offensive part of this story, and Bonds' story, and Clemens' story, is just the hubris and arrogance of it all. You're not talking about fringe players who feel like they need to take steroids to keep themselves in the game, you're talking about superstars who just aren't satisfied with being superstars and need to make themselves bigger than the game. On top of the money these players are making compared to average Americans, that side of this story is just sickening and offensive to me.

What a great point and I completely agree with you. Baseball over the last 20-30 years has been tarnished to the point that i wonder just how clean some of my heroes when I was a kid which is just not something I want to wrap my head around.

People talk about the Black Sox scandal being the worst in MLB history but in some ways the Steroid Era is much worse because these guys were allowed to do all this ish with MLB turning their heads and hoping nothing would happen.

[Marino]

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What a great point and I completely agree with you. Baseball over the last 20-30 years has been tarnished to the point that i wonder just how clean some of my heroes when I was a kid which is just not something I want to wrap my head around.

People talk about the Black Sox scandal being the worst in MLB history but in some ways the Steroid Era is much worse because these guys were allowed to do all this ish with MLB turning their heads and hoping nothing would happen.

While the Black Sox scandal was pretty bad, it was only a season affair. As we are finding out, the Steroids era has been going on over the past 10+ years. It is just a shame that such a great sport is being tarnished, and hopefully things are being done to fix the sport.

[mvb34]

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Black Sox scandal was about throwing games. Steroids era is about guys trying to get an extra edge.. Black Sox scandal way worst for the game of baseball..

[Brandon13]

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Black Sox scandal was about throwing games. Steroids era is about guys trying to get an extra edge.. Black Sox scandal way worst for the game of baseball..

Throwing games in the World Series no less. Yeah, it's not even close. The Black Sox win the Scandal Bowl in a landslide.

[DTX3]

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Another reason to hate the Yankees and to look forward to their epic chokejob.

[PrettyT11]

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I don't understand this mentality? Are all of us law abiding citizens supposed to live by this criminal code of no "snitching". I think it started with the Godfather movies, lol.

I am so very glad you said law abiding citizens cause these very same sources or like I called them snitches are NOT law abiding citizens. They broke the LAW by leaking this information. So again I called them snitches. That is exactly what they are. Wether you agree or disagree with steroids at all the facts is these "sources" broke the law in giving out this info and are hiding behind some other reporter.

[Brandon13]

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I am so very glad you said law abiding citizens cause these very same sources or like I called them snitches are NOT law abiding citizens. They broke the LAW by leaking this information. So again I called them snitches. That is exactly what they are. Wether you agree or disagree with steroids at all the facts is these "sources" broke the law in giving out this info and are hiding behind some other reporter.

It's unethical but is it actually against the law in this particular situation?

[PrettyT11]

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It's unethical but is it actually against the law in this particular situation?

Yes it is cause these results are sealed in a California court room and there is a case going between the government and the MLB Players union about the amount of records they took when investigating the BALCO case.

[Pared]

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Another reason to hate the Yankees and to look forward to their epic chokejob.

I'm a self admitted Yankee ***** ( ) but c'mon, he wasn't even a Yankee when this "happened."

I don't see what him being a Yankee has to do with anything right now. Although they've had it rough: Clemens, Pettitte, Giambi, Sheffield... now this guy... am I missing anyone?