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  • SoxFan01605
    All Star
    • Jan 2008
    • 7982

    #31
    Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

    Originally posted by Scottdau
    What about the year they tighten the baseballs? I think Will Clark had 35 HR's that year.
    lol...that kind of speaks to my point. There have been accusations of juiced balls, corked bats, and the like all supposedly endorsed by MLB.

    They got caught with they're hands dirty and now want to cry fould. Too little too late, Mr. Selig...lol.

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    • areobee401
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2006
      • 16771

      #32
      Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

      If I seem to remember Roger Maris had an * next to his record because he played in a longer season then Ruth. So I can see MLB doing the same with the Bonds/Aaron situation.

      The thing is though it was wrong then and they would be wrong for doing so now.
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      • wwharton
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2002
        • 26949

        #33
        Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

        Originally posted by Knight165
        Not quite.
        Rule was in place in 1991

        Time now for the name-calling portion of our program, aka, I had the guts to read a few of the posts on this blog.

        You mentioned that steroids were put on the banned list in 1991. There seem to be conflicting reports on when steroids were banned. Many news outlets say 2002. I think they are confusing testing with it actually being banned. Anyways, any chance you can provide a source showing that they were banned in 1991?

        Commissioner Fay Vincent sent the clubs a memo in 1991 reminding them that players were forbidden from taking any illegal substance. He specifically mention steroids in the memo and encouraged the clubs to take a get-tough policy on players thought to be using steroids.

        What could a team have done if it suspected a player of using steroids? Probably nothing.

        Vincent simply wanted to be on the record as letting the clubs know that steroid use was against the rules and that they shouldn't be afraid to confront a player.

        There was no testing for steroids until 2003 (after being part of the 2002 labor agreement).


        Throw those 104 lawsuits out!

        M.K.
        Knight165
        Actually that doesn't really change anything... for a couple of reasons. First, as your quote stated, there was no punishment for being caught using roids from 1991 to 2006. Clubs were given the power to take action against players and clearly, either no knowledge or action was taken regarding ARod in 2003 by the Rangers. But, more importantly, the Players Union only allowed the survey under the agreement that the information would be used ONLY for exactly what it was stated for (don't have the specifics but generally speaking, only research). There is absolutely no way the information can be used against any of these players without asking for a serious law suit. This is true with anything. Research is done with drug addicts, sex offenders, office thieves, etc. Their rights are protected. The only reason ARod can't sue simply for having his name released is because Selig and/or the MLB didn't release it... and nobody knows who did. If Selig were to release any of the other names, they'd most definitely have a case against him.

        The thing that's really funny (been mentioned here earlier) is that Selig made this agreement with the players union. So A) he knows very well he can't suspend ARod and B) he knew about ARod back in 2003 as well as the other 103 players. His acting shocked and appalled now is a huge joke.

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        • twiztiddarkangelman
          Banned
          • Dec 2008
          • 597

          #34
          Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

          IMO Selig= The clown prince of baseball. Selig please just resign, you are embarressing yourself.

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          • JBH3
            Marvel's Finest
            • Jan 2007
            • 13506

            #35
            Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

            Originally posted by twiztiddarkangelman
            IMO Selig= The clown prince of baseball. Selig please just resign, you are embarressing yourself.
            He has no reason too...

            Did you see his earning from 2008? He was paid more than the highest paid player in the game.

            Why would you resign after that.

            "Bud has $18million reasons why he wouldn't resign"...

            Straight from TO's publicist. :wink:
            Last edited by JBH3; 02-13-2009, 03:04 PM.
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            All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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            • pistoldill
              Pro
              • Nov 2004
              • 762

              #36
              Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

              Hank Aaron did steroids too.

              Disprove it.
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              Originally posted by Cebby
              So the ACC should work around FSU having the worst academic scandal in recent history? Maybe FSU should stop cheating, fighting, packing gats, and act like normal people.

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              • SportsTop
                The Few. The Proud.
                • Jul 2003
                • 6716

                #37
                Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                Originally posted by SPTO
                I agree with JBH that there are two class of stats now and it's a crying shame. Selig should have the rest of the names on that list released and if there are active players on said list, threaten to suspend them like he's threatening to suspend A-Rod.

                After that, Selig should resign as he and his cronies all knew what was going on but chose to ignore it for the sake of making tons of money on a false set of accomplishments.

                Baseball needs IOC type testing ASAP.
                In a word: No.

                Allowing baseball to reinstate Aaron has the HR king gives MLB a pass in the public's eye. I hold MLB more accountable than anyone else in this whole fiasco. At some point and time an institution has to realize when it has a problem on a large scale and take corrective measures.

                I've seen it hundreds of times.

                Let's take the military: If we go to combat and the percentage of suicides triples across the board, then who do we blame? The individual or the institution? The same thing occurs if there is an increase of DUI's in a command. We first look to the institution to see what the problem is at the highest level.....and there is usually a problem.

                Bud Selig represents the leadership in the institution that is baseball. We've learned that steroids wasn't just isolated instances. It was a widespread problem throughout the game and that, to me, represents a problem with the institution.

                Selig is a joke for coming out saying anything about suspended ARod. It reeks of poor leadership and passing the buck.

                Baseball needs to live with the bed it made as do the BBWAA. The records should all stand, tainted or not.
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                • Knight165
                  *ll St*r
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 24964

                  #38
                  Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                  Originally posted by wwharton
                  Then we'd rightfully have 104 lawsuits. There were no MLB rules against taking roids when the survey was given

                  This is why I brought up the 1991 memo.
                  You stated there was no rule against it.
                  There was.
                  I don't really care about the rest or the anonymity.
                  -There were rules against it in place.
                  -It should go against a man's integrity to cheat regardless IMO

                  I don't need someone else to tell me who the best is anyway.(the MLB)
                  That's why they invented the internet, isn't it?

                  M.K.
                  Knight165
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                  • BigDofBA
                    B**m*r S**n*r!
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 9066

                    #39
                    Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                    Originally posted by pistoldill
                    Hank Aaron did steroids too.

                    Disprove it.
                    No kidding. I hate Bonds but he is the home run king.

                    Are we going to put asterisk next to Ruth's name because he played in an all white league and was fatter than everyone?

                    You can't take this record away.
                    Last edited by BigDofBA; 02-14-2009, 12:08 AM.
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                    • Speedy
                      #Ace
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 16143

                      #40
                      Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                      Originally posted by BigDofBA
                      No kidding. I hate Bonds but he is the home run king.

                      Are we going to put asterisk next to Ruth's name because he played in an all white league and was fatter than everyone?

                      You can't take this record away.
                      Apparently Hank Aaron agrees - surprisingly...

                      http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3906864

                      "In all fairness to everybody, I just don't see how you really can do a thing like that and just say somebody isn't the record holder anymore, and let's go back to the way that it was," Aaron told the Journal-Constitution Friday, referring to the controversy involving Bonds, Mark McGwire, Alex Rodriguez and other players who have been linked to performance enhancing drugs.

                      "If you did that, you'd have to go back and change all kinds of records, and the [home run] record was very important to me. It's probably the most hallowed record out there, as far as I'm concerned, but it's now in the hands of somebody else. It belongs to Barry."
                      Originally posted by Gibson88
                      Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                      It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                      • BigDofBA
                        B**m*r S**n*r!
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 9066

                        #41
                        Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                        Originally posted by WakeUnc2321
                        Apparently Hank Aaron agrees - surprisingly...

                        http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3906864
                        Barry hit the ball over the fence more times than any player in history. Therefore he is the home run king. There wasn't any testing. It's not Bond's fault, it's MLB.

                        People are blowing this steroid issue way out of proportion. It is a problem that needs to be addressed, but players have been doing things in baseball since the beginning up time.

                        Let's take away Ruth's records because he didn't play in an integrated league.
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                        • ehh
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 28962

                          #42
                          Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                          Selig needs to go, badly. He's a hypocrite and no one has "shamed the game" more than he has in the last two decades.
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                          • Seahawk76
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 1394

                            #43
                            Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                            I don't see how they can arbitrarily delete records without making the record book just an utter and complete sham. Selig turned a blind eye during the steroid era so now he can't just CYA by trying to sweep home run records under the rug. Millions of fans paid money to attend games during that era and now you're going to tell them that some of the home runs they witnessed don't really count while others do? Ridiculous.

                            Like it or not (and I don't), Bonds hit more HRs than Aaron. That's the reality and Selig can't just wave a magic wand to make that inconvenient fact disappear.
                            Last edited by Seahawk76; 02-14-2009, 05:25 PM.

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                            • faster
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 2182

                              #44
                              Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                              I guess we're taking all of Clemens records away too? And McGwire... he probably took roids too. Wait, what about amphetamines? They could make you have more energy and run faster? Was Rickey Henderson on them? Let's take his records away? Guys used to play drunk and under the influence of alcohol... that probably was illegal... I mean, they were less stressed, so they probably hit the ball better.


                              /end of sarcastic rant

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                              • wwharton
                                *ll St*r
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 26949

                                #45
                                Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

                                Originally posted by Knight165
                                This is why I brought up the 1991 memo.
                                You stated there was no rule against it.
                                There was.
                                I don't really care about the rest or the anonymity.
                                -There were rules against it in place.
                                -It should go against a man's integrity to cheat regardless IMO

                                I don't need someone else to tell me who the best is anyway.(the MLB)
                                That's why they invented the internet, isn't it?

                                M.K.
                                Knight165
                                Could've sworn I already responded to this. Not reading the whole thread?

                                So you think they should break another law because one law was broken? Got it.

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