Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

[Knight165]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

Could've sworn I already responded to this. Not reading the whole thread?

So you think they should break another law because one law was broken? Got it.

Okay...

I don't think you are reading what YOU wrote.
You said...there was no rule in place at the time of the sample testing.
Would you say that is a correct statement about your post?
I'm saying there was a memo sent out reminding each team about the policy and that PED were banned. This was in 1991. The test was 2002-3
Would you still contend that there was no policy in place as you originally posted?

You further went on to contend that there could be lawsuits involved because there was no policy in place. (of this..I don't care really....I just wanted to point out...there indeed was a policy set forth by the Commissioners office)

M.K.
Knight165

[phenom1990]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

personally if you wanna say that we should put hank aaron back as the home run king because of some of the events that have transpired i have no problem with that. i just dont believe bud selig should be the guy allowed to make the decision on the record books. for the simple fact he was commissioner during this era and all he is trying to do in my opinion is to save some of his legacy. so i dont believe bud selig should be allowed to make this decision because i think by leaving the records the way they are, bud selig wouldnt be able to escape what he allowed to go on during this era

[SportsTop]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

Okay...

I don't think you are reading what YOU wrote.
You said...there was no rule in place at the time of the sample testing.
Would you say that is a correct statement about your post?
I'm saying there was a memo sent out reminding each team about the policy and that PED were banned. This was in 1991. The test was 2002-3
Would you still contend that there was no policy in place as you originally posted?

You further went on to contend that there could be lawsuits involved because there was no policy in place. (of this..I don't care really....I just wanted to point out...there indeed was a policy set forth by the Commissioners office)

M.K.
Knight165

Have you actually read those memos?

I'm in no way defending the use of PEDs, but those memos weren't negotiated with the player's union and weren't agreed upon in the CBA.

Not to mention the fact that they specifically mention cocaine, marijuana, etc. as the drugs they will be testing for and not PEDs.

Those memos carried zero weight in the player's and union's eyes.

Again, it's an institutional issue.

[mgoblue]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

Have you actually read those memos?

I'm in no way defending the use of PEDs, but those memos weren't negotiated with the player's union and weren't agreed upon in the CBA.

Not to mention the fact that they specifically mention cocaine, marijuana, etc. as the drugs they will be testing for and not PEDs.

Those memos carried zero weight in the player's and union's eyes.

Again, it's an institutional issue.

Yeah...Bud had his chances to make steroids illegal, but he didn't. Especially during the McGuire/Sosa run, he knew that would save baseball so he looked the other way. I don't think he has any right to go and take away any records because of his mistakes. It was technically allowed...don't hate the playa, hate the game (or in this case, MLB itself).

[steelcurtain311]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

What is the point of reinstating Aaron? This is just pointless Barry Bonds bias and nothing more. Since the fans hate Bonds, it's popular to bury him further. So what happens when A-Rod breaks his record? He's the HR king? Despite also cheating? Simply because his name isn't Barry Bonds?

There's no point in trying to screw with stats. Give him the HR title, put the asterisk next to it. Simple as that.

[wwharton]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

Okay...

I don't think you are reading what YOU wrote.
You said...there was no rule in place at the time of the sample testing.
Would you say that is a correct statement about your post?
I'm saying there was a memo sent out reminding each team about the policy and that PED were banned. This was in 1991. The test was 2002-3
Would you still contend that there was no policy in place as you originally posted?

You further went on to contend that there could be lawsuits involved because there was no policy in place. (of this..I don't care really....I just wanted to point out...there indeed was a policy set forth by the Commissioners office)

M.K.
Knight165

This was your FIRST post about it...

Not quite.
Rule was in place in 1991

Time now for the name-calling portion of our program, aka, I had the guts to read a few of the posts on this blog.

You mentioned that steroids were put on the banned list in 1991. There seem to be conflicting reports on when steroids were banned. Many news outlets say 2002. I think they are confusing testing with it actually being banned. Anyways, any chance you can provide a source showing that they were banned in 1991?

Commissioner Fay Vincent sent the clubs a memo in 1991 reminding them that players were forbidden from taking any illegal substance. He specifically mention steroids in the memo and encouraged the clubs to take a get-tough policy on players thought to be using steroids.

What could a team have done if it suspected a player of using steroids? Probably nothing.

Vincent simply wanted to be on the record as letting the clubs know that steroid use was against the rules and that they shouldn't be afraid to confront a player.

There was no testing for steroids until 2003 (after being part of the 2002 labor agreement).

Throw those 104 lawsuits out!

M.K.
Knight165

and this was my response.

Actually that doesn't really change anything... for a couple of reasons. First, as your quote stated, there was no punishment for being caught using roids from 1991 to 2006. Clubs were given the power to take action against players and clearly, either no knowledge or action was taken regarding ARod in 2003 by the Rangers. But, more importantly, the Players Union only allowed the survey under the agreement that the information would be used ONLY for exactly what it was stated for (don't have the specifics but generally speaking, only research). There is absolutely no way the information can be used against any of these players without asking for a serious law suit. This is true with anything. Research is done with drug addicts, sex offenders, office thieves, etc. Their rights are protected. The only reason ARod can't sue simply for having his name released is because Selig and/or the MLB didn't release it... and nobody knows who did. If Selig were to release any of the other names, they'd most definitely have a case against him.

The thing that's really funny (been mentioned here earlier) is that Selig made this agreement with the players union. So A) he knows very well he can't suspend ARod and B) he knew about ARod back in 2003 as well as the other 103 players. His acting shocked and appalled now is a huge joke.

Don't know why you're going to ignore that I already responded. Didn't like my response?

Would you like me to repeat that it doesn't change anything? What's your point here?

[Cryolemon]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

They should wait till 2011 (basically 140 years of organised baseball) then say from that point, all previous records are ignored. Start with a blank slate with strict drug policies.

[Knight165]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

This was your FIRST post about it...



and this was my response.



Don't know why you're going to ignore that I already responded. Didn't like my response?

Would you like me to repeat that it doesn't change anything? What's your point here?

Look it's obvious that you will not admit that you were wrong when you posted that there was no rule in place. Who cares if there was no punishment? That's not what you posted....
I was trying to show you there was
What don't you like about my post that you just keep ignoring it?

Movin' on...

M.K.
Knight165

[wwharton]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

Look it's obvious that you will not admit that you were wrong when you posted that there was no rule in place. Who cares if there was no punishment? That's not what you posted....
I was trying to show you there was
What don't you like about my post that you just keep ignoring it?

Movin' on...

M.K.
Knight165

What are you even talking about? I said there was no rule in place. That's incorrect, it was banned but there was no rules to punish anyone from doing roids.

I guess your only purpose is to say yes there was a rule in place? Congrats. My purpose was to talk about how players could juice up until their hearts content without any punishment.

I'm glad you got the semantics down, lol. I posted a whole lot of other relevant stuff too but I guess I just included that because I didn't want to be wrong about the rule.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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IMO, Selig should just shut up! Every time he opens his pie ho;e he sticks both feet in it. He just makes himself look foolish. He's a bafoon, peroid.

[DaveDQ]

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I'm just asking, so please don't flame me, but didn't Selig put into place the testing rules etc. for steroids? I know that he probably tuend a blind eye to a lot, but he is responsible for trying to stop it, no?

[twiztiddarkangelman]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

Selig did nothing until after Congress brought baseball on the carpet.

[Kashanova]

Re: Selig considering reinstating Aaron as Home Run King

Barry Bonds is the Home Run King. If there were punishments for this Barry would of been suspended to much to even have enough AB's to even break the record. Also there are alot of cheaters in the game that have records and there not being spoken of right now, like the pitchers that doctored balls so it could have a bigger break for example