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  • dave_sz
    Pro
    • Mar 2005
    • 575

    #31
    Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

    Originally posted by twiztiddarkangelman
    He double his hrs rbi's gained 30 points on his avg over a 100 points on his slg % just 2 years removed from being a Twin.
    Yeah, good coaching and and good mentoring can do that to an athlete. Otherwise what would be the point of having hitting coaches and pitching coaches and fielding coaches, if they can't teach you anything?

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    • dave_sz
      Pro
      • Mar 2005
      • 575

      #32
      Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

      Originally posted by twiztiddarkangelman
      Here you go read this about the trainer banned from the MLB who has been linked to ARod and also Ortiz.
      http://www.sox1fan.com/?p=3985
      And what does that prove? In the Dominican Republic Presinal is pretty much hailed as a god when it comes to pro athletes and their development/andwhatnot. Just cause some steroid seller mentions him in his report to get off easier, doesn't automatically mean it's all true. MLB banned him solely based off the letters/reports released a few years ago. I'm not saying it's all lies I'm just saying you should stop using speculation as basis for your weak arguments...

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      • twiztiddarkangelman
        Banned
        • Dec 2008
        • 597

        #33
        Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

        Originally posted by dave_sz
        And what does that prove? In the Dominican Republic Presinal is pretty much hailed as a god when it comes to pro athletes and their development/andwhatnot. Just cause some steroid seller mentions him in his report to get off easier, doesn't automatically mean it's all true. MLB banned him solely based off the letters/reports released a few years ago. I'm not saying it's all lies I'm just saying you should stop using speculation as basis for your weak arguments...
        This is not the Dominican Republic, and MLB went on more then a single steroid seller as you put it to ban him from mlb club houses. Oh yeah I know you. You are the guy who was arguing with everyone in The Show threads. I should have recognized the name. Is that your thing? Going from thread to thread just to agitate?

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        • B_rad13
          Pro
          • Feb 2009
          • 528

          #34
          Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

          Vernon Wells will be the next positive test ever since he lost 20 lbs a few years back he has made me wonder.
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          • twiztiddarkangelman
            Banned
            • Dec 2008
            • 597

            #35
            Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

            You know I never gave Wells a thought. Wasn't he injured a lot??

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            • mfbball04
              Rookie
              • Jan 2009
              • 367

              #36
              Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

              hmm..i would say probably berkman

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              • dave_sz
                Pro
                • Mar 2005
                • 575

                #37
                Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                Originally posted by twiztiddarkangelman
                This is not the Dominican Republic, and MLB went on more then a single steroid seller as you put it to ban him from mlb club houses. Oh yeah I know you. You are the guy who was arguing with everyone in The Show threads. I should have recognized the name. Is that your thing? Going from thread to thread just to agitate?
                hahaha, so cause I have a valid argument and you just blurt crap out, then automatically my agenda is to just start fights? hahahaha insecurity is such a bitch...

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                • bullpen
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 348

                  #38
                  Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                  Originally posted by fugazi
                  how does pujols name never get brought up?
                  How can people believe the Pujols is 28 ....I'd bet 100$ that he is at least 34

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                  • bullpen
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 348

                    #39
                    Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                    Vlad Guerrero ...?

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                    • twiztiddarkangelman
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 597

                      #40
                      Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                      Originally posted by bullpen
                      How can people believe the Pujols is 28 ....I'd bet 100$ that he is at least 34
                      He certainly does look older than 28.

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                      • Elvis Minaya
                        Rookie
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 48

                        #41
                        Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                        Originally posted by twiztiddarkangelman
                        Just throwing this out there because I love friendly debate. I wanted to look on the back of some of the more visible players baseball cards. I was just looking for curious spikes in power because I believe the roids help you more there then anywhere else. But not only spikes but mysterious drop offs as well. Going back to ARod, one could argue in his last mvp year where he hit 54-hr. 156rbi- .314BA-.645 .slg to last years, 35- 103- .302 - 573 Looking further into his career you can see a curious pattern
                        Texas 03, last year juicing according to mr. "Truthful" 47 hr- 118 rbi- .298 avg- .600 slg But 04 36 - 106 - .286 - .512 So in his career we have power one year then a drop then power again.

                        DAvid Ortiz last year with the Twins = 20 - 75 - .272 - 500
                        Sox = 31 - 101 - .288 - 592
                        41 - 139 - .301 - 603
                        47 - 148 - .300 - 604
                        54 - 137 - .287 - 636
                        35 - 117 - .332 - 621


                        Now none of this is rocket science, but a little thing like this is how speculation starts.
                        Except that you forgot to mention that last year Big Papi spent a long time in the disable list. Please, let be honest.

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                        • sask3m
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 2352

                          #42
                          Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                          yes funny now how ortiz is starting to break down

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                          • soltrain
                            The Batman
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6863

                            #43
                            Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                            Originally posted by twiztiddarkangelman
                            Are you kidding me? What were they telling him. "Umm, we know you could probably hit 40hrs and drive in 130 while batting over 300. But that doesn't fit in with what we do here. We just need you to hit oh, say 20 hrs 85 rbi's and hit .270 and we're good to go."
                            No, I'm not "kidding" you. He had a completely different approach at the plate. Twins preach spraying the ball to all fields, the Red Sox allowed him to be a dead pull hitter. You weren't aware teams do things like that?
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                            • rsox
                              All Star
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6309

                              #44
                              Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                              Originally posted by soltrain
                              No, I'm not "kidding" you. He had a completely different approach at the plate. Twins preach spraying the ball to all fields, the Red Sox allowed him to be a dead pull hitter. You weren't aware teams do things like that?
                              It's true. Teams have different philosophies on how they want their players to approach the plate. I remember in the early 90's when Chad Curtis came up with the Angels there were stories about how he and then Angels hitting coach Rod Carew did not always get along because Curtis had speed and some pop in his bat but Carew would always tell him to hit it on the ground and Curtis did not want to be a ground ball hitter who only stole bases. It was probably no coincidence that in 1995 after Curtis was traded to the Tigers he hit a career high 21 HR's as the Tigers leadoff hitter.

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                              • twiztiddarkangelman
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 597

                                #45
                                Re: Who will be the next big cheat????

                                Originally posted by Elvis Minaya
                                Except that you forgot to mention that last year Big Papi spent a long time in the disable list. Please, let be honest.
                                I didn't include his last years stats!!! Check your stats.

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