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  • jjoe
    Pro
    • Feb 2003
    • 880

    #1

    My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

    HH wins in the gameplay department, by far. ASB is prettier and a nice game, but the gameplay issues are too much to overcome. Think about it. In HH, you will never have a fielding gaff. You will never have a contol problem with fielders. You will never have a baserunning gaff. The CPU runs perfectly. The pitching is awesome. Same with hitting. You never hear anyone say they have any issues with the fielding, hitting or pitching. In ASB, sometimes the baserunner doesn't run so that two guys end up on the same base. Sometimes, fielders don't pursue foul balls so that they drop untouched. As for the pitching, you cannot walk with any realistic consistency in any other game other than HH. In HH, you will "feel" the nail biting nervousness when you pitcher is struggling with control and the game is on the line. No other game does this. Not ASB. Not MVP. Not WSB. HH is the only game where you can feel the frustration of actually giving up a walk. In ASB, the user has to manufacture a walk (attempting to hit the corner and then missing). Also, HH has the most realistic pitch counts. Truly an immersive game.

    Now, HH's problem is the graphics. In fact, when I first played it, I hated it. I traded in MVP for it and regretted that decision. I spent some time with the game and realized that great graphics attract, but gameplay retains. That's why so many HH gamers are coming back. However, I fear for all HH gamers that this series may not be around much longer if the graphics don't improve. In fact, it might not be around if the graphics do improve because its getting a bad reputation now which will affect future purchases. We will all be losers if this is the case. Think about it. There is not a single gameplay issue (other than the PS2 bug). You will always make the plays you should, unless you make the mistake. The groundball flyball ratio is right on, whereas in ASB it is skewed heavily toward fly balls.

    Don't get me wrong, ASB is a great fun game. It sure looks nice. But WSB is the closest to HH. HH has the best gameplay bar none. You can take that to the bank. It is still the true baseball fan's game. That's the problem. Without great graphics, HH may be done inthe future and true baseball fans who want that realism and tight gameplay will be the losers.
  • BatsareBugs
    LVP
    • Feb 2003
    • 12553

    #2
    Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

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    HH wins in the gameplay department, by far. ASB is prettier and a nice game, but the gameplay issues are too much to overcome. Think about it. In HH, you will never have a fielding gaff. You will never have a contol problem with fielders. You will never have a baserunning gaff. The CPU runs perfectly. The pitching is awesome. Same with hitting. You never hear anyone say they have any issues with the fielding, hitting or pitching. In ASB, sometimes the baserunner doesn't run so that two guys end up on the same base. Sometimes, fielders don't pursue foul balls so that they drop untouched. As for the pitching, you cannot walk with any realistic consistency in any other game other than HH. In HH, you will "feel" the nail biting nervousness when you pitcher is struggling with control and the game is on the line. No other game does this. Not ASB. Not MVP. Not WSB. HH is the only game where you can feel the frustration of actually giving up a walk. In ASB, the user has to manufacture a walk (attempting to hit the corner and then missing). Also, HH has the most realistic pitch counts. Truly an immersive game.

    Now, HH's problem is the graphics. In fact, when I first played it, I hated it. I traded in MVP for it and regretted that decision. I spent some time with the game and realized that great graphics attract, but gameplay retains. That's why so many HH gamers are coming back. However, I fear for all HH gamers that this series may not be around much longer if the graphics don't improve. In fact, it might not be around if the graphics do improve because its getting a bad reputation now which will affect future purchases. We will all be losers if this is the case. Think about it. There is not a single gameplay issue (other than the PS2 bug). You will always make the plays you should, unless you make the mistake. The groundball flyball ratio is right on, whereas in ASB it is skewed heavily toward fly balls.

    Don't get me wrong, ASB is a great fun game. It sure looks nice. But WSB is the closest to HH. HH has the best gameplay bar none. You can take that to the bank. It is still the true baseball fan's game. That's the problem. Without great graphics, HH may be done inthe future and true baseball fans who want that realism and tight gameplay will be the losers.

    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

    Graphics are easy to fix.

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    • BatsareBugs
      LVP
      • Feb 2003
      • 12553

      #3
      Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      HH wins in the gameplay department, by far. ASB is prettier and a nice game, but the gameplay issues are too much to overcome. Think about it. In HH, you will never have a fielding gaff. You will never have a contol problem with fielders. You will never have a baserunning gaff. The CPU runs perfectly. The pitching is awesome. Same with hitting. You never hear anyone say they have any issues with the fielding, hitting or pitching. In ASB, sometimes the baserunner doesn't run so that two guys end up on the same base. Sometimes, fielders don't pursue foul balls so that they drop untouched. As for the pitching, you cannot walk with any realistic consistency in any other game other than HH. In HH, you will "feel" the nail biting nervousness when you pitcher is struggling with control and the game is on the line. No other game does this. Not ASB. Not MVP. Not WSB. HH is the only game where you can feel the frustration of actually giving up a walk. In ASB, the user has to manufacture a walk (attempting to hit the corner and then missing). Also, HH has the most realistic pitch counts. Truly an immersive game.

      Now, HH's problem is the graphics. In fact, when I first played it, I hated it. I traded in MVP for it and regretted that decision. I spent some time with the game and realized that great graphics attract, but gameplay retains. That's why so many HH gamers are coming back. However, I fear for all HH gamers that this series may not be around much longer if the graphics don't improve. In fact, it might not be around if the graphics do improve because its getting a bad reputation now which will affect future purchases. We will all be losers if this is the case. Think about it. There is not a single gameplay issue (other than the PS2 bug). You will always make the plays you should, unless you make the mistake. The groundball flyball ratio is right on, whereas in ASB it is skewed heavily toward fly balls.

      Don't get me wrong, ASB is a great fun game. It sure looks nice. But WSB is the closest to HH. HH has the best gameplay bar none. You can take that to the bank. It is still the true baseball fan's game. That's the problem. Without great graphics, HH may be done inthe future and true baseball fans who want that realism and tight gameplay will be the losers.

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

      Graphics are easy to fix.

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      • jjoe
        Pro
        • Feb 2003
        • 880

        #4
        Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

        Maybe graphics are easy to improve. But first impressions are hard to overcome. Fan loyalty to games is evident in these forums. This is my first year with all the games so I have no loyalties (after Triple Play series, I abandoned baseball videogames until this year). The fact is that HH will be outsold by all other games, even though the AI is tight simply because of the graphics. Like I said, I thought this game was a joke. However, I found that the more I play it and think like real baseball, the more the gameplay sucks you in. You feel every pitch when trying to outthink the AI. And in the end, the stats (pitch count, walks, Ks, HRs) are so realistic that you really feel like you witnessed a BB game. I mean, some of the ASB guys are getting 27-6 scores and they're excited!! To me, that's boring (a la Triple Play). I play a baseball game to play real baseball. However, I accept that the majority of gamers don't think the same. As a result, I think HH's graphics will kill its sales in the end.

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        • jjoe
          Pro
          • Feb 2003
          • 880

          #5
          Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

          Maybe graphics are easy to improve. But first impressions are hard to overcome. Fan loyalty to games is evident in these forums. This is my first year with all the games so I have no loyalties (after Triple Play series, I abandoned baseball videogames until this year). The fact is that HH will be outsold by all other games, even though the AI is tight simply because of the graphics. Like I said, I thought this game was a joke. However, I found that the more I play it and think like real baseball, the more the gameplay sucks you in. You feel every pitch when trying to outthink the AI. And in the end, the stats (pitch count, walks, Ks, HRs) are so realistic that you really feel like you witnessed a BB game. I mean, some of the ASB guys are getting 27-6 scores and they're excited!! To me, that's boring (a la Triple Play). I play a baseball game to play real baseball. However, I accept that the majority of gamers don't think the same. As a result, I think HH's graphics will kill its sales in the end.

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          • Rodster
            Banned
            • Mar 2003
            • 5709

            #6
            Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

            Actually I have had fielders and baserunners make gaffs but only in a realistic way. I've seen my fielders booble a catch, drop a ball. I've seen my runners get caught in a run down, caught leaning and resulting in a pickoff. But all of this was done in a realistic manner. It doesn't happen every game or three times a game. The mistakes are real and occur in a realistic setting. To me this makes HH just that much better than the rest of the field. You don't have to adjust or play with sliders to make HH play this type of game.

            I do agree though that if HH is to get a bigger audience next year it "should" beef up the eye candy. But too me the tight gameplay is still more than enough for me.

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            • Rodster
              Banned
              • Mar 2003
              • 5709

              #7
              Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

              Actually I have had fielders and baserunners make gaffs but only in a realistic way. I've seen my fielders booble a catch, drop a ball. I've seen my runners get caught in a run down, caught leaning and resulting in a pickoff. But all of this was done in a realistic manner. It doesn't happen every game or three times a game. The mistakes are real and occur in a realistic setting. To me this makes HH just that much better than the rest of the field. You don't have to adjust or play with sliders to make HH play this type of game.

              I do agree though that if HH is to get a bigger audience next year it "should" beef up the eye candy. But too me the tight gameplay is still more than enough for me.

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              • USC_QB
                MVP
                • Dec 2002
                • 672

                #8
                Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

                If they are getting 27-6 scores with allstar baseball they are playing on rookie. The most I have ever scored was 14 and that only happened once. I usually average around 4 or 5 runs a game.

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                • USC_QB
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 672

                  #9
                  Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

                  If they are getting 27-6 scores with allstar baseball they are playing on rookie. The most I have ever scored was 14 and that only happened once. I usually average around 4 or 5 runs a game.

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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 39337

                    #10
                    Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

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                    Graphics are easy to fix.

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                    Then why has it taken 3d0 so many damn years to make them game look DECENT?

                    Think before you post.

                    If HH had the graphics of WSB, and included the little gameplay elements so sorely lacking (drag bunts, pick off's mid motion), as well as incorporate better environments, we'd be in baseball heaven...
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                    • Pared
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                      • Feb 2003
                      • 39337

                      #11
                      Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Graphics are easy to fix.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Then why has it taken 3d0 so many damn years to make them game look DECENT?

                      Think before you post.

                      If HH had the graphics of WSB, and included the little gameplay elements so sorely lacking (drag bunts, pick off's mid motion), as well as incorporate better environments, we'd be in baseball heaven...
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                      • jim416
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 10606

                        #12
                        Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

                        What drove me crazy with the console game were all the pick offs. There was a fix for this on the PC. Just ruined the mood for me. I'd also like to see 3DO fix all the throws from the outfield that are cut off.

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                        • jim416
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                          • Feb 2003
                          • 10606

                          #13
                          Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

                          What drove me crazy with the console game were all the pick offs. There was a fix for this on the PC. Just ruined the mood for me. I'd also like to see 3DO fix all the throws from the outfield that are cut off.

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                          • soxboy7
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 1541

                            #14
                            Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            What drove me crazy with the console game were all the pick offs. There was a fix for this on the PC. Just ruined the mood for me. I'd also like to see 3DO fix all the throws from the outfield that are cut off.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            I agree wuth the first part. The pick-offs are a little excessive, But that isn't close to a reason for me to stop playing the game.

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                            • soxboy7
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 1541

                              #15
                              Re: My Conclusion On HH V. ASB

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              What drove me crazy with the console game were all the pick offs. There was a fix for this on the PC. Just ruined the mood for me. I'd also like to see 3DO fix all the throws from the outfield that are cut off.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              I agree wuth the first part. The pick-offs are a little excessive, But that isn't close to a reason for me to stop playing the game.

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