Nick Adenhart Killed In Car Accident

[shnuskis]

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I think that if you are willing to throw caution to the wind and get sloppy drunk and kill somebody you are a monster.

At what blood alcohol level is sloppy drunk? And it is only if you kill someone right? If he would have made it hope safely he wouldn't be a monster? Just trying to clarify so I understand.

[Happy29]

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At what blood alcohol level is sloppy drunk? And it is only if you kill someone right? If he would have made it hope safely he wouldn't be a monster? Just trying to clarify so I understand.

dont be fecicious

[shnuskis]

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dont be fecicious

I'm not. If he doesn't run the red light and kill people he is sloppy drunk and driving and can be called a lot of things(stupid being the first to pop in my head), but not a monster. If the night occurs without death on his hands, he made the same decisions based on the same sercumstances.

I think he needs to go away for a long time. I know a lot of people who have driven drunk. They made bad decisions. Almost all of them were lucky not to have killed someone. None of them were monsters.

[bkrich83]

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I'm not. If he doesn't run the red light and kill people he is sloppy drunk and driving and can be called a lot of things(stupid being the first to pop in my head), but not a monster. If the night occurs without death on his hands, he made the same decisions based on the same sercumstances.

I think he needs to go away for a long time. I know a lot of people who have driven drunk. They made bad decisions. Almost all of them were lucky not to have killed someone. None of them were monsters.

How many of them were already convicted of drunk driving, were driving on a suspended license, and drove while at 3 times the legal limit?

[shnuskis]

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How many of them were already convicted of drunk driving, were driving on a suspended license, and drove while at 3 times the legal limit?

That didn't matter to the poster above.

As to your question. A few had been convicted before. But that had been many years prior(70's, early 80's) when it didn't have the negative stigma it has today. I personally didn't know anyone who did it with a suspended license, but I did know of a few that did. Three times the legal limit is tougher. Years ago the legal limit was .15. You would be dead at three times the legal limit. Driving at over .3, I have seen it happen quite a bit. Now, all three at once, no I haven't seen that.

If you are insinuating that these things are what made him a monster. I still don't see it. A monster, according to wiki, is exceptionally evil, unrealisticly strict and uncaring, sociopathic, or sadistic. This is also what I thought of when he is being called a monster.

His actions don't fit evil, especially exceptionally evil. He may be uncaring about authority but we don't have enough info about him to say unrealisticly strict and uncaring. His actions weren't sociopathic or sadistic.

[bkrich83]

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That didn't matter to the poster above.

As to your question. A few had been convicted before. But that had been many years prior(70's, early 80's) when it didn't have the negative stigma it has today. I personally didn't know anyone who did it with a suspended license, but I did know of a few that did. Three times the legal limit is tougher. Years ago the legal limit was .15. You would be dead at three times the legal limit. Driving at over .3, I have seen it happen quite a bit. Now, all three at once, no I haven't seen that.

If you are insinuating that these things are what made him a monster. I still don't see it. A monster, according to wiki, is exceptionally evil, unrealisticly strict and uncaring, sociopathic, or sadistic. This is also what I thought of when he is being called a monster.

His actions don't fit evil, especially exceptionally evil. He may be uncaring about authority but we don't have enough info about him to say unrealisticly strict and uncaring. His actions weren't sociopathic or sadistic.

After getting a second change, he showed a wreckless disregard for human life. In the process he killed 3 innocent people.

Makes him a monster, and a triple murderer in my book. Despite his previous conviction, despite his suspended license, and despite knowing the risks, he made a conscious decision to drink and drive. Guy shouldn't have been behind the wheel in the first place, but to go and get hammered as well? Come on, the adjectives fit.

Sorry, a monster is exactly what he is, and I truly hope he gets his.

[shnuskis]

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After getting a second change, he showed a wreckless disregard for human life. In the process he killed 3 innocent people.

Makes him a monster, and a triple murderer in my book. Despite his previous conviction, despite his suspended license, and despite knowing the risks, he made a conscious decision to drink and drive. Guy shouldn't have been behind the wheel in the first place, but to go and get hammered as well? Come on, the adjectives fit.

Sorry, a monster is exactly what he is, and I truly hope he gets his.

I agree with everything you said, except for murder(he did not have intent) and the term monster. Neither of the nouns fit. They both have definitions and are being misused.

[bkrich83]

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I agree with everything you said, except for murder(he did not have intent) and the term monster. Neither of the nouns fit. They both have definitions and are being misused.

Ugghh. you are right on Monster being a noun. Too much time in the sun today.

I am going to disagree. His blatant disregard for those around him (and in his previous plea, he wrote that while driving drunk he's aware that he could indeed severely injure someone or kill someone) amount to intent. While he didn't intend to kill those people per se, he was more than aware that was a distinct possibility and did so anyway. Not to mention his previous plea agreement stipulates that if he kills someone while driving drunk he can indeed be charged with murder.

I won't even go in to his attempt to flea the scene, and then again to evade officers after they caught him the first time.

That's being a murderer and a monster in my book. Blatant disregard for human life is the same as being a monster, and a murderer.

[shnuskis]

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You have sun? Lucky.

I was unaware of the wording of his plea agreement. As you said, he was not trying to kill those people, so it doesn't fit the definition of murder. But since it was in his plea agreement, he should definitely be charged with it.

I say he has disrespect for the law, disrespect for authority, is stupid, and deserves everything he gets. I stop short of monster and we will agree to disagree.

[bkrich83]

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You have sun? Lucky.

I was unaware of the wording of his plea agreement. As you said, he was not trying to kill those people, so it doesn't fit the definition of murder. But since it was in his plea agreement, he should definitely be charged with it.

I say he has disrespect for the law, disrespect for authority, is stupid, and deserves everything he gets. I stop short of monster and we will agree to disagree.

He obviously has disrespect for human life. It that doesn't make him a monster then what does? He showed no regard for human life and put his agenda above the lives of innocent people around him.

That is a monster imo.

[shnuskis]

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He obviously has disrespect for human life. It that doesn't make him a monster then what does? He showed no regard for human life and put his agenda above the lives of innocent people around him.

That is a monster imo.

Sociopath, sadistic, extremely evil. Intent to inflict physical and psycological pain on its victim for his or her enjoyment. The intent and enjoyment of the act is key. That is a monster imo.

Putting his agenda above the lives of innocent people around him is selfish. His disrespect for human life may simply have been indifference to it. Indifference doesn't come close to evil or sadistic.

[bkrich83]

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Sociopath, sadistic, extremely evil. Intent to inflict physical and psycological pain on its victim for his or her enjoyment. The intent and enjoyment of the act is key. That is a monster imo.

Putting his agenda above the lives of innocent people around him is selfish. His disrespect for human life may simply have been indifference to it. Indifference doesn't come close to evil or sadistic.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I find disregard for human life to be just as bad. Not caring one way or the other is the same as having intent for something like this imo. Knowing that if you do something there's a good chance you might kill someone and doing it anyway is akin to doing it on purpose imo

[o_capone]

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You have sun? Lucky.

I was unaware of the wording of his plea agreement. As you said, he was not trying to kill those people, so it doesn't fit the definition of murder. But since it was in his plea agreement, he should definitely be charged with it.

I say he has disrespect for the law, disrespect for authority, is stupid, and deserves everything he gets. I stop short of monster and we will agree to disagree.

he took a plea that fast? i have never heard of a case ending that fast...

[shnuskis]

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he took a plea that fast? i have never heard of a case ending that fast...

Go back and read the whole thread to get the context. It was the plea from his first DUI.

[o_capone]

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Go back and read the whole thread to get the context. It was the plea from his first DUI.

lol this is a pretty long thread... i'll pass... it just seemed as if you were saying he took a plea for murder...