Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

[snepp]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

"If I made changes based on how successful certain people are at stealing this would never get done. These changes are for the masses, not just yourself."

I understand entirely that no set of ratings will ever be the same for 2 people. But fast players already get from 1st to home quickly, getting more of them there even faster will have an undesirable effect on gameplay IMO. I'm not the only one that has little difficulty stealing bases, eventually the "masses" will have to learn. Don't take any realism away from the game to make it easier to play is all I'm saying.

"No it hasnt really been done with Kern's rosters. And that the set Im starting this with. A lot of his starters have lower than 90 stamina. I also have to be careful with guys like Kim on Arizona with 36 stamina. He is now a starter."

Alot of starters are under 90, but the majority are 90+. And of those less than 90 most of them are in the 85-89 range, very very few are less than 85. I didn't notice that Kim was still listed as a reliever, but he does have 58 stamina in the Kerm file.

"I thought that you tried this and said that there wasnt a big difference...I will test it first though."

Tested yes, but not thouroughly. 3 simmed seasons and 3 exhibition games probably doesn't qualify as enough testing.

"thanks for the input."

That's what I'm here for, if there's no input interest gets lost in a hurry.

btw, You don't need to be so jumpy on comments, they are all given with the best of intentions.

have a good one,

sn

[snepp]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

"If I made changes based on how successful certain people are at stealing this would never get done. These changes are for the masses, not just yourself."

I understand entirely that no set of ratings will ever be the same for 2 people. But fast players already get from 1st to home quickly, getting more of them there even faster will have an undesirable effect on gameplay IMO. I'm not the only one that has little difficulty stealing bases, eventually the "masses" will have to learn. Don't take any realism away from the game to make it easier to play is all I'm saying.

"No it hasnt really been done with Kern's rosters. And that the set Im starting this with. A lot of his starters have lower than 90 stamina. I also have to be careful with guys like Kim on Arizona with 36 stamina. He is now a starter."

Alot of starters are under 90, but the majority are 90+. And of those less than 90 most of them are in the 85-89 range, very very few are less than 85. I didn't notice that Kim was still listed as a reliever, but he does have 58 stamina in the Kerm file.

"I thought that you tried this and said that there wasnt a big difference...I will test it first though."

Tested yes, but not thouroughly. 3 simmed seasons and 3 exhibition games probably doesn't qualify as enough testing.

"thanks for the input."

That's what I'm here for, if there's no input interest gets lost in a hurry.

btw, You don't need to be so jumpy on comments, they are all given with the best of intentions.

have a good one,

sn

[donjn]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

I dont mean to be jumpy. In fact you and I have worked together on a lot of this stuff. Not one other person has given me any input..

However I will never agree with you on the speed thing. Reason being is that I have seen a hell of a lot more people complain about not being able to steal rather than say they can do it everytime. You are a rarity my friend. I have taken two step leads with Dave Roberts speed at 97, gotten a perfect jump, dive headfirst and still get nailed anytime its a fastball. I have also seen too many games where either me or the computer have 12-15 hits and 2 runs. These issues alone call for more speed.

Regarding the stamina issue I think it may be a waste of time like you said. Changing a guy from 85 stamina to 91 stamina isnt going to make a huge difference. I will however still go through all starters to see if anyone is really low. I also use my knowledge of the game and give guys like Cal Eldred near-starter like stamina because he used to start and still can if needed..

My new plan is to make one player on every team an all red hit zone.

[donjn]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

I dont mean to be jumpy. In fact you and I have worked together on a lot of this stuff. Not one other person has given me any input..

However I will never agree with you on the speed thing. Reason being is that I have seen a hell of a lot more people complain about not being able to steal rather than say they can do it everytime. You are a rarity my friend. I have taken two step leads with Dave Roberts speed at 97, gotten a perfect jump, dive headfirst and still get nailed anytime its a fastball. I have also seen too many games where either me or the computer have 12-15 hits and 2 runs. These issues alone call for more speed.

Regarding the stamina issue I think it may be a waste of time like you said. Changing a guy from 85 stamina to 91 stamina isnt going to make a huge difference. I will however still go through all starters to see if anyone is really low. I also use my knowledge of the game and give guys like Cal Eldred near-starter like stamina because he used to start and still can if needed..

My new plan is to make one player on every team an all red hit zone.

[snepp]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

"However I will never agree with you on the speed thing. Reason being is that I have seen a hell of a lot more people complain about not being able to steal rather than say they can do it everytime. You are a rarity my friend. I have taken two step leads with Dave Roberts speed at 97, gotten a perfect jump, dive headfirst and still get nailed anytime its a fastball. I have also seen too many games where either me or the computer have 12-15 hits and 2 runs. These issues alone call for more speed."

I guess I have trouble with the speed/stealing issue because I haven't had difficulty stealing since the early portion of my franchise. Would playing on turf make any difference? Doubtful I'm sure. I still think that a speed increase for all players may be the way to go. Those super slow players really clog the bases horribly, more so than their real world counterparts would anyway (with the exception of Edgar, he's got 10 plows in real life).

"I will however still go through all starters to see if anyone is really low. I also use my knowledge of the game and give guys like Cal Eldred near-starter like stamina because he used to start and still can if needed."

Johan Santana is another, he would be starting if the Twins didn't need him in the pen as much as they do.

"My new plan is to make one player on every team an all red hit zone."

What if a team doesn't have a player worthy of all red? Like the Twins, the Tigers, etc. I liked your orginal idea of making 4 zone upgrades per player.

Pitcher fielding is rediculous, they cover bunts too quickly and cover first too quickly. Hammering their range works really nice when you're playing.

later,

sn

[snepp]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

"However I will never agree with you on the speed thing. Reason being is that I have seen a hell of a lot more people complain about not being able to steal rather than say they can do it everytime. You are a rarity my friend. I have taken two step leads with Dave Roberts speed at 97, gotten a perfect jump, dive headfirst and still get nailed anytime its a fastball. I have also seen too many games where either me or the computer have 12-15 hits and 2 runs. These issues alone call for more speed."

I guess I have trouble with the speed/stealing issue because I haven't had difficulty stealing since the early portion of my franchise. Would playing on turf make any difference? Doubtful I'm sure. I still think that a speed increase for all players may be the way to go. Those super slow players really clog the bases horribly, more so than their real world counterparts would anyway (with the exception of Edgar, he's got 10 plows in real life).

"I will however still go through all starters to see if anyone is really low. I also use my knowledge of the game and give guys like Cal Eldred near-starter like stamina because he used to start and still can if needed."

Johan Santana is another, he would be starting if the Twins didn't need him in the pen as much as they do.

"My new plan is to make one player on every team an all red hit zone."

What if a team doesn't have a player worthy of all red? Like the Twins, the Tigers, etc. I liked your orginal idea of making 4 zone upgrades per player.

Pitcher fielding is rediculous, they cover bunts too quickly and cover first too quickly. Hammering their range works really nice when you're playing.

later,

sn

[Melkro]

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$70 bucks that sounds like Canada pricing.

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Blue Jays fan: "I'll take a beer"

Beerman: "Coming right up...that'll be $25"

Poor Canadians, and I thought our economy sucked....

btw, I believe the $70 was to own both the xbox and pc versions.

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I find it funny when people know so little about Canada that they make thereself sound stupid when trying to be funny.

First off, a beer costs about $4 at a ball game in Canada (I relize that you were being sarcastic by saying 25). Secondly, if you knew anything about our economy, you would know that ours is almost the exact same as the states, only about a year behind because so many of our products come from the States.

And paying $25 Canadian for something is not the same as paying $25 US. Something that you would buy in America for $25 dollars would be about $36 here. It looks like we pay more, but It's just the difference in the currency. Canadians get a larger income than Americans, for the most part, but it's in Canadian dollars, so it all evens out.

What you said about $25 dollars for a beer in Canada could be said about a beer in Japan like this:

"10,000,000 yen for a beer..."

Obviously that comparison would be just ludacris. It's not like the Japanese economy is so bad that they have to pay a million times more for a beer, it's just the difference in currency values. The same goes for Canada.

I'm sorry if you think I'm over-reacting to you comments, it's just that I hate it when Americans make fun of us Canadians because they are ignorant to what is actually happening.



Oh and BTW, the only Idea that I don't like in your plan is the "Superstars having a full Hot Spot zone". That's not even close to realistic. It might help them to hit more homers, but think about what else it's doing. Even the best players have places where they don't hit the ball as well, and by changing this you would be ignoring that.

As I said, it might increase home runs, but it will also increasse normal hits in those places where the player actually struggles.

[Melkro]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

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$70 bucks that sounds like Canada pricing.

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Blue Jays fan: "I'll take a beer"

Beerman: "Coming right up...that'll be $25"

Poor Canadians, and I thought our economy sucked....

btw, I believe the $70 was to own both the xbox and pc versions.

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I find it funny when people know so little about Canada that they make thereself sound stupid when trying to be funny.

First off, a beer costs about $4 at a ball game in Canada (I relize that you were being sarcastic by saying 25). Secondly, if you knew anything about our economy, you would know that ours is almost the exact same as the states, only about a year behind because so many of our products come from the States.

And paying $25 Canadian for something is not the same as paying $25 US. Something that you would buy in America for $25 dollars would be about $36 here. It looks like we pay more, but It's just the difference in the currency. Canadians get a larger income than Americans, for the most part, but it's in Canadian dollars, so it all evens out.

What you said about $25 dollars for a beer in Canada could be said about a beer in Japan like this:

"10,000,000 yen for a beer..."

Obviously that comparison would be just ludacris. It's not like the Japanese economy is so bad that they have to pay a million times more for a beer, it's just the difference in currency values. The same goes for Canada.

I'm sorry if you think I'm over-reacting to you comments, it's just that I hate it when Americans make fun of us Canadians because they are ignorant to what is actually happening.



Oh and BTW, the only Idea that I don't like in your plan is the "Superstars having a full Hot Spot zone". That's not even close to realistic. It might help them to hit more homers, but think about what else it's doing. Even the best players have places where they don't hit the ball as well, and by changing this you would be ignoring that.

As I said, it might increase home runs, but it will also increasse normal hits in those places where the player actually struggles.

[jim416]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

"...I'm sorry if you think I'm over-reacting to you comments, it's just that I hate it when Americans make fun of us Canadians because they are ignorant to what is actually happening..."

Don't mean to politicize this, but sometimes, out of frustration, shots are taken at other countries who have been giving us a pounding.. Many fingers seem to be pointed at this great country of ours as causing the ills of the world, and I think it's just a frustration thing. Nothing personal, I don't think.

[jim416]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

"...I'm sorry if you think I'm over-reacting to you comments, it's just that I hate it when Americans make fun of us Canadians because they are ignorant to what is actually happening..."

Don't mean to politicize this, but sometimes, out of frustration, shots are taken at other countries who have been giving us a pounding.. Many fingers seem to be pointed at this great country of ours as causing the ills of the world, and I think it's just a frustration thing. Nothing personal, I don't think.

[snepp]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

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I find it funny when people know so little about Canada that they make thereself sound stupid when trying to be funny.

First off, a beer costs about $4 at a ball game in Canada (I relize that you were being sarcastic by saying 25). Secondly, if you knew anything about our economy, you would know that ours is almost the exact same as the states, only about a year behind because so many of our products come from the States.

And paying $25 Canadian for something is not the same as paying $25 US. Something that you would buy in America for $25 dollars would be about $36 here. It looks like we pay more, but It's just the difference in the currency. Canadians get a larger income than Americans, for the most part, but it's in Canadian dollars, so it all evens out.

What you said about $25 dollars for a beer in Canada could be said about a beer in Japan like this:

"10,000,000 yen for a beer..."

Obviously that comparison would be just ludacris. It's not like the Japanese economy is so bad that they have to pay a million times more for a beer, it's just the difference in currency values. The same goes for Canada.

I'm sorry if you think I'm over-reacting to you comments, it's just that I hate it when Americans make fun of us Canadians because they are ignorant to what is actually happening.

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Whoa, settle down. You sound like the Chicago White Sox fans that were booing Doug Mientkewicz because of a joke he said about moving the All Star game. Tongue-in-cheek.

I've got nothing against Canada, or Canadians, and If you haven't noticed, my favorite baseball player comes from north of the border....

[snepp]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

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I find it funny when people know so little about Canada that they make thereself sound stupid when trying to be funny.

First off, a beer costs about $4 at a ball game in Canada (I relize that you were being sarcastic by saying 25). Secondly, if you knew anything about our economy, you would know that ours is almost the exact same as the states, only about a year behind because so many of our products come from the States.

And paying $25 Canadian for something is not the same as paying $25 US. Something that you would buy in America for $25 dollars would be about $36 here. It looks like we pay more, but It's just the difference in the currency. Canadians get a larger income than Americans, for the most part, but it's in Canadian dollars, so it all evens out.

What you said about $25 dollars for a beer in Canada could be said about a beer in Japan like this:

"10,000,000 yen for a beer..."

Obviously that comparison would be just ludacris. It's not like the Japanese economy is so bad that they have to pay a million times more for a beer, it's just the difference in currency values. The same goes for Canada.

I'm sorry if you think I'm over-reacting to you comments, it's just that I hate it when Americans make fun of us Canadians because they are ignorant to what is actually happening.

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Whoa, settle down. You sound like the Chicago White Sox fans that were booing Doug Mientkewicz because of a joke he said about moving the All Star game. Tongue-in-cheek.

I've got nothing against Canada, or Canadians, and If you haven't noticed, my favorite baseball player comes from north of the border....

[donjn]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

"Oh and BTW, the only Idea that I don't like in your plan is the "Superstars having a full Hot Spot zone". That's not even close to realistic. It might help them to hit more homers, but think about what else it's doing. Even the best players have places where they don't hit the ball as well, and by changing this you would be ignoring that."

Yes but Im only going to give full red to a couple players. The other power hitters on each team will get four moves per side they bat against. So basically 99% of the moves I am making will still involve cold zones as well.

Basically the only two players I think off that should have full red are Barry Bonds and ARod. Think about it. Can you REALLY think of any location where you can consistently get those guys out? My point exactly. Also in MVP its way too easy to nail certain spots. Its not fair to face Barry Bonds and throw pinpoint pitches in his "only blue square" all the time and be able to hit that spot everytime. Its not fair to the real threat of facing him in a real situation. Making him fuully red is the only option. And adding red zones to other power hitters is good too. They will still have some weak spots but not as much...

[donjn]

Re: Lowering control does not effect simmed walks! This is the ultimate thread!

"Oh and BTW, the only Idea that I don't like in your plan is the "Superstars having a full Hot Spot zone". That's not even close to realistic. It might help them to hit more homers, but think about what else it's doing. Even the best players have places where they don't hit the ball as well, and by changing this you would be ignoring that."

Yes but Im only going to give full red to a couple players. The other power hitters on each team will get four moves per side they bat against. So basically 99% of the moves I am making will still involve cold zones as well.

Basically the only two players I think off that should have full red are Barry Bonds and ARod. Think about it. Can you REALLY think of any location where you can consistently get those guys out? My point exactly. Also in MVP its way too easy to nail certain spots. Its not fair to face Barry Bonds and throw pinpoint pitches in his "only blue square" all the time and be able to hit that spot everytime. Its not fair to the real threat of facing him in a real situation. Making him fuully red is the only option. And adding red zones to other power hitters is good too. They will still have some weak spots but not as much...

[Melkro]

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"Oh and BTW, the only Idea that I don't like in your plan is the "Superstars having a full Hot Spot zone". That's not even close to realistic. It might help them to hit more homers, but think about what else it's doing. Even the best players have places where they don't hit the ball as well, and by changing this you would be ignoring that."

Yes but Im only going to give full red to a couple players. The other power hitters on each team will get four moves per side they bat against. So basically 99% of the moves I am making will still involve cold zones as well.

Basically the only two players I think off that should have full red are Barry Bonds and ARod. Think about it. Can you REALLY think of any location where you can consistently get those guys out? My point exactly. Also in MVP its way too easy to nail certain spots. Its not fair to face Barry Bonds and throw pinpoint pitches in his "only blue square" all the time and be able to hit that spot everytime. Its not fair to the real threat of facing him in a real situation. Making him fuully red is the only option. And adding red zones to other power hitters is good too. They will still have some weak spots but not as much...




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So your saying Barry hits the ball as well low outside as he does high inside? That's not true and by giving him hots in both, that's what is being portrayed.