5/11-5/17 MLB Discussion

[roadman]

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Overpaying for good players is one thing, overpaying for highly mediocre players is another thing entirely.

No team, no matter their payroll limitations, needs to spend that kind of money for back of the rotation starters. It was bad contract, there's no way to rationalize that.

The Brewers being a small market team(payroll limitations or not) will overspend at times for mediocre players to be competitive. I think they overspent for Looper as well.

This might be a bit off topic, but the Bucks have overspent for less than mediocre talent because they are in a small market. Gadzuric is making $6 million/yr sitting on the bench, some nights not playing. He is not the only bad contract they are trying to rid of. The GM of the Bucks stated they have to overspend on FA's because they are in a smaller market.

Same with the Brewers. Bad contracts or not. If they want to stay competitive and put forth a formidable team, they will have bad contracts or players being over compensated for what they should be earning.

I look at it this way. With Selig, the Brewers had the lowest payroll on the market and didn't make the playoffs for 16yrs. Now, they are 4 times the payroll they had in the Selig years, and last year they were competitive and backed into the playoffs. They drew 3 million fans last year vs the usual 1 million. I'll take the latter format anytime as a fan.

[bkrich83]

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whats wrong with CC?

Nothing. He's just paid alot for being a mediocre pitcher.

[ryanm1058123]

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Nothing. He's just paid alot for being a mediocre pitcher.

his ERA+ of the past couple years is 140, 143, 162, 180, and 128 (this year after a horrible start)

yeah, real mediocre

[NYJets]

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Yea he's no Jeff Suppan.

[bkrich83]

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his ERA+ of the past couple years is 140, 143, 162, 180, and 128 (this year after a horrible start)

yeah, real mediocre

Yeah since he signed with NY he's been exactly that.

But I guess with the entire team being mediocre, he seems better than he is.

Certainly not worth anywhere near what the Yankees signed him for.

[ryanm1058123]

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Yeah since he signed with NY he's been exactly that.

But I guess with the entire team being mediocre, he seems better than he is.

Certainly not worth anywhere near what the Yankees signed him for.

he had a horrible start, but lets say he's a crappy pitcher for a bad 20 innings

never the less that he has a 128 ERA+ which is good for like top 15 in the league. but yeah he's been mediocre

[bkrich83]

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he had a horrible start, but lets say he's a crappy pitcher for a bad 20 innings

never the less that he has a 128 ERA+ which is good for like top 15 in the league. but yeah he's been mediocre

He has been mediocre.. That's not even disputable.

A big guy like that with the innings he's thrown the last 4 seasons. Can't say a drop off would exactly be a surprise.

[ryanm1058123]

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That would mean that Josh Beckett is a 6 ERA guy. Do you honestly think that.


No thats why you need to let small sample sizes work themselves out

edit: look up ERA+. 128 is not mediocre. its well above average.

[bkrich83]

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That would mean that Josh Beckett is a 6 ERA guy. Do you honestly think that.


No thats why you need to let small sample sizes work themselves out

edit: look up ERA+. 128 is not mediocre. its well above average.

I don't buy in to those types stats. Especially ones that use things ball park factors in.

I've seen him throw. He's labored more than I have ever seen him. He's striking out fewer batters and walking more. That's never a good sign. He's not the same guy he was a couple of years ago.

Is he a good pitcher obviously. Is he the type of pitcher the Yankees spent that much money on. Imo, no. He had a nice run last year, but he's not that guy.

In Beckett's case, he's been every bit the 6 ERA guy. Either he's hurt or he's got a flaw in his delivery, because he's been awful .

[bkrich83]

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Angel Hernandez. LOL. the ever shifting strike zone.

[ryanm1058123]

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umm

ever hear of small sample sizes?

its obvious that these won't continue. these pitchers have TRACK records. if you think beckett is gonna have a 6 ERA all year i want to sell you something. it's not gonna happen.

[bkrich83]

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umm

ever hear of small sample sizes?

its obvious that these won't continue. these pitchers have TRACK records. if you think beckett is gonna have a 6 ERA all year i want to sell you something. it's not gonna happen.

Agreed. But track records mean nothing with pitchers. Pitchers fall off the grid all the time. Especially overweight, overworked ones.

[ZB9]

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I'm guessing because of past history and Ian hit 2 HRs in last night game. Last time the Rangers faced Lackey that torched him for 12 hits in 2 innings and 10 runs.

^ yup that is why he was ejected

good win today...I dont know if they can keep it rolling all year, but this Rangers team is fun to watch right now...and the great thing for Rangers fans, is that Texas has one of the best farm systems in the league.

oh, and Elvis Andrus is going to be a great player

[Scott]

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^ yup that is why he was ejected

good win today...I dont know if they can keep it rolling all year, but this Rangers team is fun to watch right now...and the great thing for Rangers fans, is that Texas has one of the best farm systems in the league.

oh, and Elvis Andrus is going to be a great player

Could also be that Kinsler is 6/15 against Lackey with 2 HRs, 5 RBIs, not to mention a 1.271 OPS.

[NYJets]

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Agreed. But track records mean nothing with pitchers. Pitchers fall off the grid all the time. Especially overweight, overworked ones.

Maybe.

Or maybe he had 2 bad starts, and because its early in the year those 2 starts killed his stats. He's had 2 complete games, including a complete game shutout. He's had a 7.2 shutout inning start. He had another start he went 8 innings giving up 2 runs. Seems like he's still able to pitch effectively deep into games.

He had a much worse April last year and he turned out ok.