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  • JBH3
    Marvel's Finest
    • Jan 2007
    • 13506

    #61
    Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

    Originally posted by Blzer
    Are we forgetting some guy named Bonds? Bonds still out-walked Pujols intentionally.

    ... which speaks to how much of a pure hitter he is, probably still.
    Reading is fundamental...KEYWORDs...SINCE 2005. Bonds didn't play after '07 and totaled 84 IBBs from 05-07. Pujols has 111 through 2008, not counting this year.

    ...which speaks to how much I'm right and how much you're wrong...:wink:
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    • Blzer
      Resident film pundit
      • Mar 2004
      • 42533

      #62
      Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

      Originally posted by JBH3
      Reading is fundamental...KEYWORDs...SINCE 2005. Bonds didn't play after '07 and totaled 84 IBBs from 05-07. Pujols has 111 through 2008, not counting this year.

      ...which speaks to how much I'm right and how much you're wrong...:wink:
      I figured you meant as a "per year" statistic, not in total (as in, Bonds led the league in 2006 and 2007 in intentional walks).
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      • Misfit
        All Star
        • Mar 2003
        • 5766

        #63
        Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

        Originally posted by P2K
        How did I know a Howard bashing would occur in this thread? Sad.
        Do you just go from thread to thread making sure no one makes a negative comment about the Phillies or a player on the Phillies?

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        • P2K
          Banned
          • Aug 2006
          • 8845

          #64
          Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

          Originally posted by Misfit
          Do you just go from thread to thread making sure no one makes a negative comment about the Phillies or a player on the Phillies?
          How about leaving me the hell alone instead of trying to bait me into an argument?

          Alrighty, good. Moving on.

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          • Misfit
            All Star
            • Mar 2003
            • 5766

            #65
            Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

            Originally posted by P2K
            How about leaving me the hell alone instead of trying to bait me into an argument?

            Alrighty, good. Moving on.
            Sure, as soon as you stop with the Phillies policing I'll be happy to stop pointing it out. I don't believe I've ever had an exchange with you in the past about it, but seeing as how I hit some kind of nerve you must be aware of your sensitivity. And this likely isn't the place to be if you're going to be overly sensitive about such a subject.

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            • P2K
              Banned
              • Aug 2006
              • 8845

              #66
              Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

              Originally posted by Misfit
              Sure, as soon as you stop with the Phillies policing I'll be happy to stop pointing it out. I don't believe I've ever had an exchange with you in the past about it, but seeing as how I hit some kind of nerve you must be aware of your sensitivity. And this likely isn't the place to be if you're going to be overly sensitive about such a subject.
              Baiting.

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              • TheMatrix31
                RF
                • Jul 2002
                • 52928

                #67
                Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                You guys drop it.

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                • steelcurtain311
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 2087

                  #68
                  Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                  Originally posted by Blzer
                  Are we forgetting some guy named Bonds? Bonds still out-walked Pujols intentionally.

                  ... which speaks to how much of a pure hitter he is, probably still.
                  Intentional walks? Who cares? Bonds IBB's are partly a direct result of how insanely juiced he was at the time. Nobody is going to walk 200 times in a season, that's just absurd. Bonds has one of the best eyes ever, is one of the greatest ever at drawing a walk, but the IBB is a stupid thing to judge that on. He wouldn't of been walked every other at bat if he didn't hit 700 foot HR every time you pitched to him, which was the result of steroids.


                  I look at it like this, who is the player in the game who can step up to the plate at any given moment, and do anything I need of him? If I need him to draw a walk, if I need him to put the ball in play and not strike out, if I need him to slap one the other way, if I need him to hit a sac fly, if I need him to hit a HR, if I need him to bring a runner home, who is going to do that above anybody? Albert Pujols. Therefore he's the best pure hitter in the game.

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                  • Blzer
                    Resident film pundit
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 42533

                    #69
                    Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                    Originally posted by steelcurtain311
                    I look at it like this, who is the player in the game who can step up to the plate at any given moment, and do anything I need of him? If I need him to draw a walk, if I need him to put the ball in play and not strike out, if I need him to slap one the other way, if I need him to hit a sac fly, if I need him to hit a HR, if I need him to bring a runner home, who is going to do that above anybody? Albert Pujols. Therefore he's the best pure hitter in the game.
                    I would also add "who is going to stay out of the double play?".

                    And that sounds like "best situational hitter." Big difference, mi amigo. Pujols would certainly not be that guy. Hell, aside from the home run, I'd take David Eckstein as that guy.


                    Oh, and I think even many people here would agree that Bonds' juice era did not start in 1998, the year that he was intentionally walked with the bases loaded. That, my friend, is true fear.
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                    • steelcurtain311
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 2087

                      #70
                      Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                      Well here's what we can do, you can have David Eckstein, and I'll have Albert Pujols. And we'll see who has the better team by the end of the day.

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                      • Blzer
                        Resident film pundit
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 42533

                        #71
                        Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                        Originally posted by steelcurtain311
                        Well here's what we can do, you can have David Eckstein, and I'll have Albert Pujols. And we'll see who has the better team by the end of the day.
                        Hey, this thread is asking for the best pure hitter, and I said Pujols (I also gave my definition of a "pure hitter" as well). But from what you described, aside from the home runs, I would take Eckstein or Vizquel in his prime. Again, this is only going by your definition.
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                        • NYJets
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 18637

                          #72
                          Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                          There are no situations I'd rather have David Eckstein up than Albert Pujols.
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                          • bukktown
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 3257

                            #73
                            Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                            I thought it was just a fluke at first, but now i am convinced. Joe Mauer is the 2nd best 'pure' hitter in the league.

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                            • Blzer
                              Resident film pundit
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 42533

                              #74
                              Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                              Originally posted by NYJets
                              There are no situations I'd rather have David Eckstein up than Albert Pujols.
                              Once again, I'm just going by his post. When you need something done, you can guarantee that Eckstein would be less selfish in controlling his AB to produce what needs to be done as opposed to going for the offensive numbers and having a 67% chance of failing.

                              Here's what I'm saying: runner on 2nd, no outs. We want that runner to be moved over to third. Eckstein would sacrifice his average to control his hit as a ground ball to the right side and take the out (or get it through the hole) to move that runner over for Gonzalez. Pujols may do more than that with the home run, but the chances of that are far slimmer. He isn't going to be going for that ground ball behind the runner, therefore he is not hitting situationally.

                              I am not denying Pujols' ability one bit, I'm saying his approach isn't to be situational. In fact, he doesn't get paid to do that either. He gets paid to try and drive the runners in and boost his average, hit the long ball, etc. It may come at the cost of striking out by trying to do too much or rolling over for the double play, maybe fouling out getting under it, etc. Eckstein has yet to ground into a double play and does not strike out with runners in scoring position. He puts the ball in play, as he is doing his responsibility as a #2 hitter.

                              I don't know why I'm trying to argue this since this thread is not intended for such an argument.. Pujols is the best current pure hitter in baseball by my (HR+BB):K >= 2:1 ratio definition. He is just not a situational hitter as it is not his job.
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                              • JBH3
                                Marvel's Finest
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 13506

                                #75
                                Re: Who is the best pure hitter in the league?

                                Originally posted by Blzer
                                Hey, this thread is asking for the best pure hitter, and I said Pujols (I also gave my definition of a "pure hitter" as well). But from what you described, aside from the home runs, I would take Eckstein or Vizquel in his prime. Again, this is only going by your definition.


                                Originally posted by Blzer
                                Once again, I'm just going by his post. When you need something done, you can guarantee that Eckstein would be less selfish in controlling his AB to produce what needs to be done as opposed to going for the offensive numbers and having a 67% chance of failing.

                                Here's what I'm saying: runner on 2nd, no outs. We want that runner to be moved over to third. Eckstein would sacrifice his average to control his hit as a ground ball to the right side and take the out (or get it through the hole) to move that runner over for Gonzalez. Pujols may do more than that with the home run, but the chances of that are far slimmer. He isn't going to be going for that ground ball behind the runner, therefore he is not hitting situationally.

                                I am not denying Pujols' ability one bit, I'm saying his approach isn't to be situational. In fact, he doesn't get paid to do that either. He gets paid to try and drive the runners in and boost his average, hit the long ball, etc. It may come at the cost of striking out by trying to do too much or rolling over for the double play, maybe fouling out getting under it, etc. Eckstein has yet to ground into a double play and does not strike out with runners in scoring position. He puts the ball in play, as he is doing his responsibility as a #2 hitter.

                                I don't know why I'm trying to argue this since this thread is not intended for such an argument.. Pujols is the best current pure hitter in baseball by my (HR+BB):K >= 2:1 ratio definition. He is just not a situational hitter as it is not his job.
                                Dude. Eckstein HAS to hit situationally, and Pujols uh doesn't.

                                You kinda make Pujols out to be a player concerned w/ numbers, when really he just wants to win, and will do whatever it takes. It just so happens his abilities don't require him to be a "situational" hitter, because in almost ANY situation he can drive the ball.
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