Is your new MGR better than the old?

[ryan36]

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Dave Trembley >>>> Sam Perlozzo, Lee Mazzilli

Both of the previous made the dumbest decisions as far as bullpen management, etc. went. Trembley's only real flaw is that he gives guys a little too long of a leash (Jamie Walker) before changing their role.

I really like Trembley. I wish he'd learn to smoke a cigar tho!

[BunnyHardaway]

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I really like Trembley. I wish he'd learn to smoke a cigar tho!

If that's his only issue, I'll take it

He's a perfect manager for this team, though. He's been a minor league coach/manager his whole career, and this team is one of the youngest in recent memory and has several young guys due up soon. He's an ideal mentor for them.

[ryan36]

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Yeah he seems to breed confidence. A lot of those minor league guys who don't have charisma just seem over their head. Like John Boles.

[JBH3]

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Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi (FLA)

[B_rad13]

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Just curious what people around OS think.

Ones that I can think of:
Melvin vs. Hinch
Girardi vs. Torre
Gibbons vs. Gaston
Tracy vs. Russell
Geren vs. Macha
Baker vs. Miley
Bochy vs. Alou
Pinellia vs. Baker
Maddon vs. Piniella
Leyland vs. Trammell (Jim Leyland's been gettin a lot of crap lately)
Randolph vs. J.Manuel
Garner vs. Cooper
Black vs. Bochy
Don Wakamatsu is AWESOME btw. I'm glad the M's didn't go with Cora.

Gaston is 1,000,000 times better than John Gibbons, Gaston is the reason Adam Lind is such a good hitter and other Jays fans can attest to that.

[B_rad13]

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Fredi Gonzalez or Joe Girardi (FLA)

Joe Girardi, he took a nothing Marlins team in 2007 and made them better. I bet ya if he was still in Florida they would be leading the NL east.

[Cane_Mutiny]

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Joe Girardi, he took a nothing Marlins team in 2007 and made them better. I bet ya if he was still in Florida they would be leading the NL east.

Yup, and Fredi isn't anything special.

[JBH3]

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Joe Girardi, he took a nothing Marlins team in 2007 and made them better. I bet ya if he was still in Florida they would be leading the NL east.

Good thing he's not still in Florida.

Leading? No. Competing at or above .500? Yes.

[CMH]

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Isn't this more of a: Is your team good now or worse?

If the team is successful everyone is going to like the new manager. If the team doesn't have the same success everyone is going to like the old manager.

So, is it the manager or the team's success or lack of that really determines whether one manager is better than the other?

It's obviously the success or lack of so I have a hard time really seeing the value in this question.

[pfunk880]

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Isn't this more of a: Is your team good now or worse?

If the team is successful everyone is going to like the new manager. If the team doesn't have the same success everyone is going to like the old manager.

So, is it the manager or the team's success or lack of that really determines whether one manager is better than the other?

It's obviously the success or lack of so I have a hard time really seeing the value in this question.

I agree that in general, the public's perception of a manager is directly proportional to the team's record. That being said, I certainly think a manager with a different style can have a noticable influence on his team's play. Macha has brought a different attitude to the Brewers this year, and to me, it's very evident. While there are certainly other factors for Milwaukee's success so far, including another year of experience for our young players, I think the managerial change has certainly played a role.

[ryan36]

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Well the Mariners were 45-33 with Mike Hargrove (not that he was that great), and then John McLaren took over and I perceived an immediate let down in the intensity of the team just on attitude. McLaren finished with 2 less wins and 8 more losses (43-41). Or when Keith Gilbertson took over the Huskies football team he said "I never really felt like 'the guy.'" He won what, 5 games in 2 years? When Bob Weiss took over for Nate McMillian the intensity level dropped again, he was fired after a 13-17 start.
There are managers/coaches who are better than others and win wherever they go. I asked the question because it seems like Bob Geren is getting less than he should out of the A's , Ron Washington is getting more than his predecessors did out of Texas, and I think the Marlins should be better than they are. I think this is a fair question because what I'm really asking is "did your last guy get fired too soon, and was it the right move." Not always tied to wins and losses. Did Grady Little deserve to get fired in Boston? He won. He lost an elimination playoff game and got canned.

[OSUFan_88]

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I believe it's Wedge vs Hillbilly Manuel.

I don't know...it's about a tie.

[ryan36]

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I believe it's Wedge vs Hillbilly Manuel.

I don't know...it's about a tie.

So you're saying Wedge could win a world series?

[OSUFan_88]

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So you're saying Wedge could win a world series?

With that Philly team? Sure, if Hilljack Charlie could do it, then Wedge could do it.

[throwmonkey]

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Bob Geren sucks

Gilby won 7 in his 2 year at UW FWIW