All Star Thread

[cubsfan203]

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So you really don't know other than 8-5 and a 2.80 ERA.

Read this. Its a Rangers fan's opinion (who is a writer on LoneStarBall.com) on the subject.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/7/3...rob-neyer-evan

An article with a guy using a bunch of stats, great! If all these stats are so important, let's not play the game anymore, because we already know what's going to happen because of the innings pitched adjusted for wind ball park ratio fielding range multiplier.

Like I said, I've WATCHED him pitch probably 8 of his starts this season. It's obvious that his command is better than the last few seasons, his mentality is better, and you can't write a stats book based on those things. Baseball isn't played on paper, it's played on the field. No matter how many numbers you put together there is always going to be some other variable, ifs, buts, etc.

[Ewing]

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If all these stats are so important, let's not play the game anymore, because we already know what's going to happen because of the innings pitched adjusted for wind ball park ratio fielding range multiplier.

Like I said, I've WATCHED him pitch probably 8 of his starts this season. It's obvious that his command is better than the last few seasons, his mentality is better, and you can't write a stats book based on those things. Baseball isn't played on paper, it's played on the field. No matter how many numbers you put together there is always going to be some other variable, ifs, buts, etc.

[pfunk880]

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An article with a guy using a bunch of stats, great! If all these stats are so important, let's not play the game anymore, because we already know what's going to happen because of the innings pitched adjusted for wind ball park ratio fielding range multiplier.

Like I said, I've WATCHED him pitch probably 8 of his starts this season. It's obvious that his command is better than the last few seasons, his mentality is better, and you can't write a stats book based on those things. Baseball isn't played on paper, it's played on the field. No matter how many numbers you put together there is always going to be some other variable, ifs, buts, etc.

Did you even read the article?

And Ewing, I love the Joe Morgan picture.

[snepp]

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An article with a guy using a bunch of stats, great! If all these stats are so important, let's not play the game anymore, because we already know what's going to happen because of the innings pitched adjusted for wind ball park ratio fielding range multiplier.

Like I said, I've WATCHED him pitch probably 8 of his starts this season. It's obvious that his command is better than the last few seasons, his mentality is better, and you can't write a stats book based on those things. Baseball isn't played on paper, it's played on the field. No matter how many numbers you put together there is always going to be some other variable, ifs, buts, etc.

While we're at it let's throw out 100 years of statistical history because you've probably watched 8 of his starts.

Kevin Millwood, the greatest aberration in league history due entirely to intangibles.

[snepp]

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Did you even read the article?

Rhetorical?

[pfunk880]

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Rhetorical?

The irony is that he's calling us out for making these observations without having seen Millwood pitch. Yet, he's making observations on the articles, dismissing them as "a bunch of stats" when he's probably not even reading them.

[Coug00]

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An article with a guy using a bunch of stats, great! If all these stats are so important, let's not play the game anymore, because we already know what's going to happen because of the innings pitched adjusted for wind ball park ratio fielding range multiplier.

Like I said, I've WATCHED him pitch probably 8 of his starts this season. It's obvious that his command is better than the last few seasons, his mentality is better, and you can't write a stats book based on those things. Baseball isn't played on paper, it's played on the field. No matter how many numbers you put together there is always going to be some other variable, ifs, buts, etc.

Holy crap...Wat?!?!

The stats being referenced are a measurement of the PAST. The past 3 months have already happened. Millwood's past performance is what's driving this conversation. No one here is predicting Millwood's future. And these aren't over complex stats. We're talking K %, BB %, Line Drive %, Fly Ball %, Ground Ball %, HR/FB %, Swinging Strike %, etc.

All of these un-complex stats are right here.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...106&position=P

You can see he's throwing less fastballs and that his velocity is down. He's throwing more sliders (also with a lower velocity). You can see he's getting a slight increase in swinging strikes outside of the zone. You can see pretty damn near everything else is the same except for his effectiveness with RISP. Its off the charts compared to with no one on base and that is why people think its un-sustainable for a guy that doesn't have an improvement on any of his pitch or batted ball measurables.

And help me out...how is his command better if he's throwing more balls and walking more batters?

[Ewing]

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And help me out...how is his command better if he's throwing more balls and walking more batters?

Because he's seen him pitch and he has a better understanding of why things happen than a computer, because the computer only tells you what you put in it.

[pfunk880]

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And help me out...how is his command better if he's throwing more balls and walking more batters?

LMAO

[pfunk880]

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I think I will take a pitcher that average 17 wins a year over a pitcher that has a WHIP of .80, but only averages over 12 wins a year.

If you take both of those pitchers and put them in the exact same situation, the pitcher with the WHIP of .8 will always average more wins. Wins have nothing to do with the quality of pitcher.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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And help me out...how is his command better if he's throwing more balls and walking more batters?

I'm not saying this is the explanation or anything cuz I haven't watched Millwood at all, but could he just be pitching around more guys this year and attacking the lineup in a different fashion by not pitching good pitches to certain hitters? Like I said, I'm not saying this is the explanation or anything, I'm just wondering if that could be a logical explanation or not.

[ImTellinTim]

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And Derek Jeter continues to be the most overrated player in baseball history.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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And Derek Jeter continues to be the most overrated player in baseball history.

He still has a ways to beat Joe DiMaggio.

[ImTellinTim]

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He still has a ways to beat Joe DiMaggio.

Touche. Notice how they're both Yankees.

[Ewing]

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He still has a ways to beat Joe DiMaggio.

Joe DiMaggio: .325/.398/.579, 155 OPS+, 146 RC per 162

How about no.