Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

[Knight165]

Re: Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

No, but your extreme examples are just as outrageous as suggesting that anyone who got caught doing those things should be locked out of any HOF consideration with all statistics thrown out of the window. You sit down and write up punishment for each of these situations and once the "cheating" player serves his punishment that's it. There shouldn't be any lynch mob mentality swarming around whether the punishment was enough and there certainly shouldn't be a group of reporters holding more weight on how players go down in history over the members of MLB creating these rules and punishments.

And btw, all those things you mentioned should be considered worse than PED because there are still PED that are allowed to be taken by MLB players.

Wow.
You've got quite a vivid imagination(and I think voices in your head......cause someone must have been talking to you) to get all of that from my post!

A poster wrote that there should be a live and let live mentality in regards to baseball.
I replied (in essence) "Oh rly?......but where does it stop?"
Somehow...you dragged in....the Hall of Fame, lynch mobs, the election process to the Hall of Fame and the "I'll try anything until it makes it to the banned substance list" mentality of the players into it.
Bravo!.....you should write short stories!

M.K.
Knight165

[djep]

Re: Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

Cheating by scuffing the ball, corking a bat, etc. is one thing. Breaking federal law and making other players decide between the love of their testicles or being a professional baseball player is different. I don't buy that just b/c it wasn't outlined in the CBA that it was technically legal to take steroids in baseball. The law of the land outweighs any CBA.

[wwharton]

Re: Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

Wow.
You've got quite a vivid imagination(and I think voices in your head......cause someone must have been talking to you) to get all of that from my post!

A poster wrote that there should be a live and let live mentality in regards to baseball.
I replied (in essence) "Oh rly?......but where does it stop?"
Somehow...you dragged in....the Hall of Fame, lynch mobs, the election process to the Hall of Fame and the "I'll try anything until it makes it to the banned substance list" mentality of the players into it.
Bravo!.....you should write short stories!

M.K.
Knight165

lmao... you don't have voices in your head? I thought everybody did.

All I'm saying is where does it stop from the punishment side? I'm not saying "it is what it is" so let them just do whatever they want. Every form of cheating needs to be punished, and the more dangerous the cheating is, the harsher the punishment should be. But that doesn't mean your entire career should be erased from the record books, especially if it's for something you did years ago when the MLB willing let athletes take steroids. They are the MLB record books, not the government's. They helped create these records.

Cheating by scuffing the ball, corking a bat, etc. is one thing. Breaking federal law and making other players decide between the love of their testicles or being a professional baseball player is different. I don't buy that just b/c it wasn't outlined in the CBA that it was technically legal to take steroids in baseball. The law of the land outweighs any CBA.

The punishment should be much worse than for scuffing balls and corking bats, but how much worse? What do you think is fair? Should it be based on personality (Manny vs ARod)? Should it be based on when it happened (Manny got caught after the MLB started testing, ARod's was years before)? And people care about preserving records created by players that were doing their own PEDs... there's just no way of really knowing who. So as far as I'm concerned, ARod, Bonds, Clemens, etc. are some of the greatest baseball players I've ever seen. You wanna lock them up, more power to you. But still doesn't change what they did on the field. Just don't see all the unnecessary fuss about it.

[Scottdau]

Re: Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

Wow.
You've got quite a vivid imagination(and I think voices in your head......cause someone must have been talking to you) to get all of that from my post!

A poster wrote that there should be a live and let live mentality in regards to baseball.
I replied (in essence) "Oh rly?......but where does it stop?"
Somehow...you dragged in....the Hall of Fame, lynch mobs, the election process to the Hall of Fame and the "I'll try anything until it makes it to the banned substance list" mentality of the players into it.
Bravo!.....you should write short stories!

M.K.
Knight165

I don't know how you got the live and let live thing from my post. I said "It is what it is!" That is different, but I said I did enjoyed the Sammy and Mark run. Which I am sure you did too. I don't care about it, because it is what it is. So basically there is nothing I can do about it. But I don't care that they used steroids. It doesn't change my life either way. It means nothing to me. That is cool that it means something to you. I respect you for that. I am sure the NFL players are taking something too. No one really seems to care of that.

[Scottdau]

Re: Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

lmao... you don't have voices in your head? I thought everybody did.

All I'm saying is where does it stop from the punishment side? I'm not saying "it is what it is" so let them just do whatever they want. Every form of cheating needs to be punished, and the more dangerous the cheating is, the harsher the punishment should be. But that doesn't mean your entire career should be erased from the record books, especially if it's for something you did years ago when the MLB willing let athletes take steroids. They are the MLB record books, not the government's. They helped create these records.



The punishment should be much worse than for scuffing balls and corking bats, but how much worse? What do you think is fair? Should it be based on personality (Manny vs ARod)? Should it be based on when it happened (Manny got caught after the MLB started testing, ARod's was years before)? And people care about preserving records created by players that were doing their own PEDs... there's just no way of really knowing who. So as far as I'm concerned, ARod, Bonds, Clemens, etc. are some of the greatest baseball players I've ever seen. You wanna lock them up, more power to you. But still doesn't change what they did on the field. Just don't see all the unnecessary fuss about it.

They say as long as you don't answer yourself you are not crazy, but some times I do. So maybe I am loco!

[wwharton]

Re: Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

They say as long as you don't answer yourself you are not crazy, but some times I do. So maybe I am loco!

The only sane person is the one who can admit they're insane.

[Knight165]

Re: Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

Uh-oh....I must be crazy then!(wait...that means I'm really sane! )

M.K.
Knight165

[wwharton]

Re: Bob Gibson speaks out about cheating.

exactly