Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

**ghm125** · 06-15-2003, 04:21 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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no way in hell is Clemens better than Ryan, just the fact Ryan has 7 no hitters makes him better w/o even having to mention the 5,000K's. and Clemens said this was his last year

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yup

**Mokey910** · 06-15-2003, 04:42 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

Not a chance. Nolan Ryan is far better than Roger.

**Mokey910** · 06-15-2003, 04:42 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

Not a chance. Nolan Ryan is far better than Roger.

**Mokey910** · 06-15-2003, 04:42 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

Not a chance. Nolan Ryan is far better than Roger.

**taylor34** · 06-15-2003, 07:33 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

I agree, Nolan Ryan is much better than Clemens. Look who Ryan played for--the mets, angles, astros, and rangers. Who do all of those teams have in common? They all sucked, lol. Ryan led the league with a 2.76 ERA in '87 and was 8-16 --that tells you how bad the teams were behind him. On the same teams clemens was on, Ryan would have had close to 370 or 380 wins.

Taylor34

**taylor34** · 06-15-2003, 07:33 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

I agree, Nolan Ryan is much better than Clemens. Look who Ryan played for--the mets, angles, astros, and rangers. Who do all of those teams have in common? They all sucked, lol. Ryan led the league with a 2.76 ERA in '87 and was 8-16 --that tells you how bad the teams were behind him. On the same teams clemens was on, Ryan would have had close to 370 or 380 wins.

Taylor34

**taylor34** · 06-15-2003, 07:33 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

I agree, Nolan Ryan is much better than Clemens. Look who Ryan played for--the mets, angles, astros, and rangers. Who do all of those teams have in common? They all sucked, lol. Ryan led the league with a 2.76 ERA in '87 and was 8-16 --that tells you how bad the teams were behind him. On the same teams clemens was on, Ryan would have had close to 370 or 380 wins.

Taylor34

**avh00a** · 06-15-2003, 08:05 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

It seems like i agree with everyone.... Nolan is far superior an overall pitcher over Roger.

**avh00a** · 06-15-2003, 08:05 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

It seems like i agree with everyone.... Nolan is far superior an overall pitcher over Roger.

**avh00a** · 06-15-2003, 08:05 PM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

It seems like i agree with everyone.... Nolan is far superior an overall pitcher over Roger.

**MSRoble33** · 06-16-2003, 06:02 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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I have heard a lot of Sports Reporteres lately, saying that with Roger Clemen's 300th win and 4,000th strikeout, that he is better than the legendary Nolan Ryan.

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Puh-lease! 7 no-hitters, almost 50% more K's, the guy pitched in 4 different decades!

Oh hell, Clemens can't even pitch a complete game anymore.

**MSRoble33** · 06-16-2003, 06:02 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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I have heard a lot of Sports Reporteres lately, saying that with Roger Clemen's 300th win and 4,000th strikeout, that he is better than the legendary Nolan Ryan.

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Puh-lease! 7 no-hitters, almost 50% more K's, the guy pitched in 4 different decades!

Oh hell, Clemens can't even pitch a complete game anymore.

**MSRoble33** · 06-16-2003, 06:02 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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I have heard a lot of Sports Reporteres lately, saying that with Roger Clemen's 300th win and 4,000th strikeout, that he is better than the legendary Nolan Ryan.

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Puh-lease! 7 no-hitters, almost 50% more K's, the guy pitched in 4 different decades!

Oh hell, Clemens can't even pitch a complete game anymore.

**mjb2124** · 06-16-2003, 08:02 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

Many baseball statisticians make the claim that Nolan Ryan is the most overrated pitcher in baseball history. I'm not sure what to think (except I don't think Ryan was as good as the platform many put him on - still a great pitcher though. Reason being: the league was more of a pitcher's league when Ryan played - hence the low league ERA compared to today's league ERA).

I did come across this bit of information from one of these statisticians who I have great respect for.

The top 25 modern day pitchers:

PLAYER....................IP...........ERA........ ..LEAGUE ERA

25 - Roberts, Robin - 4688 - 3.41 - 3.86
24 - Mussina, Mike - 2454 - 3.54 - 4.57
23 - Koufax, Sandy - 2324 - 2.76 - 3.63
22 - Ryan, Nolan - 5386 - 3.19 - 3.57
21 - Glavine, Tom - 3119 - 3.37 - 4.13
20 - Drysdale, Don - 3432 - 2.95 - 3.57
19 - Jenkins, Fergie - 4500 - 3.34 - 3.85
18 - Willis, Vic - 3996 - 2.63 - 3.1
17 - Marichal, Juan - 3507 - 2.89 - 3.52
16 - Brown, Kevin - 2840 - 3.22 - 4.14
15 - Carlton, Steve - 5217 - 3.22 - 3.7
14 - Newhouser, Hal - 2993 - 3.06 - 3.97
13 - Feller, Bob - 3827 - 3.25 - 3.97
12 - Niekro, Phil - 5404 - 3.35 - 3.85
11 - Blyleven, Bert - 4970 - 3.31 - 3.9
10 - Perry, Gaylord - 5350 - 3.11 - 3.63
9 - Ford, Whitey - 3170 - 2.75 - 3.63
8 - Martinez, Pedro - 1892.33 - 2.62 - 4.48
7 - Palmer, Jim - 3948 - 2.86 - 3.58
6 - Spahn, Warren - 5243 - 3.09 - 3.65
5 - Gibson, Bob - 3884 - 2.91 - 3.7
4 - Johnson, Randy - 3008.33 - 3.06 - 4.42
3 - Seaver, Tom - 4782 - 2.86 - 3.64
2 - Maddux, Greg - 3750.33 - 2.83 - 4.12
1 - Clemens, Roger - 4067 - 3.15 - 4.49

This is just a representation of how the pitcher fared against the league ERA. Obviously it doesn't take everything into consideration. Just thought this might spark some interesting conversation since Ryan is always proclaimed the better pitcher, but Clemens has a very good argument that he's the better pitcher (Trust me, I hate saying that since I despise the Yankees)...

**mjb2124** · 06-16-2003, 08:02 AM

Re: Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

Many baseball statisticians make the claim that Nolan Ryan is the most overrated pitcher in baseball history. I'm not sure what to think (except I don't think Ryan was as good as the platform many put him on - still a great pitcher though. Reason being: the league was more of a pitcher's league when Ryan played - hence the low league ERA compared to today's league ERA).

I did come across this bit of information from one of these statisticians who I have great respect for.

The top 25 modern day pitchers:

PLAYER....................IP...........ERA........ ..LEAGUE ERA

25 - Roberts, Robin - 4688 - 3.41 - 3.86
24 - Mussina, Mike - 2454 - 3.54 - 4.57
23 - Koufax, Sandy - 2324 - 2.76 - 3.63
22 - Ryan, Nolan - 5386 - 3.19 - 3.57
21 - Glavine, Tom - 3119 - 3.37 - 4.13
20 - Drysdale, Don - 3432 - 2.95 - 3.57
19 - Jenkins, Fergie - 4500 - 3.34 - 3.85
18 - Willis, Vic - 3996 - 2.63 - 3.1
17 - Marichal, Juan - 3507 - 2.89 - 3.52
16 - Brown, Kevin - 2840 - 3.22 - 4.14
15 - Carlton, Steve - 5217 - 3.22 - 3.7
14 - Newhouser, Hal - 2993 - 3.06 - 3.97
13 - Feller, Bob - 3827 - 3.25 - 3.97
12 - Niekro, Phil - 5404 - 3.35 - 3.85
11 - Blyleven, Bert - 4970 - 3.31 - 3.9
10 - Perry, Gaylord - 5350 - 3.11 - 3.63
9 - Ford, Whitey - 3170 - 2.75 - 3.63
8 - Martinez, Pedro - 1892.33 - 2.62 - 4.48
7 - Palmer, Jim - 3948 - 2.86 - 3.58
6 - Spahn, Warren - 5243 - 3.09 - 3.65
5 - Gibson, Bob - 3884 - 2.91 - 3.7
4 - Johnson, Randy - 3008.33 - 3.06 - 4.42
3 - Seaver, Tom - 4782 - 2.86 - 3.64
2 - Maddux, Greg - 3750.33 - 2.83 - 4.12
1 - Clemens, Roger - 4067 - 3.15 - 4.49

This is just a representation of how the pitcher fared against the league ERA. Obviously it doesn't take everything into consideration. Just thought this might spark some interesting conversation since Ryan is always proclaimed the better pitcher, but Clemens has a very good argument that he's the better pitcher (Trust me, I hate saying that since I despise the Yankees)...

Roger better than Nolan Ryan?

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