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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203
    #31
    Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

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    NEolithic said:

    I also think that Lou made a big mistake coming to TB...he NEEDS to win, and he ain't gunna do that at TB. So...I think a lot of his yelling and fuss was mostly that he isn't winning....not that Grieve walked off.

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    Gotta disagree. Lou isn't gonna change that team in one year, but they needed a guy like him in the clubhouse. He doesn't take 50% effort. He wants his players to care all the time.

    The Mariners were garbage before Piniella took over. He made that team a contender. Tampa Bay may not have many stars in their roster, but Pinellia is a smart man. He knows that the Yanks are gettin old. The Red Sox still can't figure it out and the Blue Jays are still very young (but can be the best team in a few years). He knows he can make the Rays that team as well.

    They need to wake up and start playing harder. With more emotion. More care. More "matter". Ben Grieve took that Mo pitch like nothing. 2 strikes, game on the line, you do anything to hit that ball. Pinella wants these guys to realize that every game should be a game 7.

    I think he's the perfect man for the job. Just like Pena is the perfect man for the Royals.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • CMH
        Making you famous
        • Oct 2002
        • 26203
        #32
        Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

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        keRplunK said:
        he actually had a pretty good rookie rookie year.

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        oh, yea he did. But I don't mean rookie year. I mean of hte players chosen ROY in the 90's, he is the worst. Not rookie numbers, just overall numbers.
        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203
            #33
            Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

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            keRplunK said:
            he actually had a pretty good rookie rookie year.

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            oh, yea he did. But I don't mean rookie year. I mean of hte players chosen ROY in the 90's, he is the worst. Not rookie numbers, just overall numbers.
            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203
                #34
                Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

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                keRplunK said:
                he actually had a pretty good rookie rookie year.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                oh, yea he did. But I don't mean rookie year. I mean of hte players chosen ROY in the 90's, he is the worst. Not rookie numbers, just overall numbers.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                  • keRplunK
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 4080
                    #35
                    Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                    Theres a bunch of busts. Cardova, Listach, Mondesi(to a lesser extent), Tood Hollandsworth, didn't Jason Jennings just win it, Bob Hamelin bunch of pretty crappy players win the award. Atleast he still has some "potential". Most of them turn out to be good players but he's far from an exception.

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                      • keRplunK
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 4080
                        #36
                        Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                        Theres a bunch of busts. Cardova, Listach, Mondesi(to a lesser extent), Tood Hollandsworth, didn't Jason Jennings just win it, Bob Hamelin bunch of pretty crappy players win the award. Atleast he still has some "potential". Most of them turn out to be good players but he's far from an exception.

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                          • keRplunK
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 4080
                            #37
                            Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                            Theres a bunch of busts. Cardova, Listach, Mondesi(to a lesser extent), Tood Hollandsworth, didn't Jason Jennings just win it, Bob Hamelin bunch of pretty crappy players win the award. Atleast he still has some "potential". Most of them turn out to be good players but he's far from an exception.

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                              • Vince
                                Bow for Bau
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 26017
                                #38
                                Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                                Todd Van Poppel.
                                @ me or dap me

                                http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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                                  • Vince
                                    Bow for Bau
                                    • Aug 2002
                                    • 26017
                                    #39
                                    Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                                    Todd Van Poppel.
                                    @ me or dap me

                                    http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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                                      • Vince
                                        Bow for Bau
                                        • Aug 2002
                                        • 26017
                                        #40
                                        Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                                        Todd Van Poppel.
                                        @ me or dap me

                                        http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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                                          • MSRoble33
                                            MVP
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 1840
                                            #41
                                            Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                                            Can't forget Walt Weiss... however I think he won it in '89, but still

                                            I think winning ROY, Heisman, and "best new artists" at the grammys are pretty much the "kiss if death" for people of said professions.. not all the time, but most of them.

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                                              • MSRoble33
                                                MVP
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 1840
                                                #42
                                                Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                                                Can't forget Walt Weiss... however I think he won it in '89, but still

                                                I think winning ROY, Heisman, and "best new artists" at the grammys are pretty much the "kiss if death" for people of said professions.. not all the time, but most of them.

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                                                  • MSRoble33
                                                    MVP
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 1840
                                                    #43
                                                    Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

                                                    Can't forget Walt Weiss... however I think he won it in '89, but still

                                                    I think winning ROY, Heisman, and "best new artists" at the grammys are pretty much the "kiss if death" for people of said professions.. not all the time, but most of them.

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                                                      • MSRoble33
                                                        MVP
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 1840
                                                        #44
                                                        Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

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                                                        Vinceanity2k3 said:
                                                        Todd Van Poppel.

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                                                        He didn't win ROY, did he? I DO remember he was supposed to be the hottest pitching prospect the A's had ever seen.... signed this crazy contract that limited him from sooooooooooo many activities, the guy couldn't even mow his yard! Then he just went to poop.

                                                        Very similar story for the Yanks prospect Brien Taylor, who broke his hand in a bar fight and his career was over, before it even started.. I think he got a season or two in at Albany, that's about it.

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                                                          • MSRoble33
                                                            MVP
                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 1840
                                                            #45
                                                            Re: WTF has Happened to Ben Grieve?

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                                                            Vinceanity2k3 said:
                                                            Todd Van Poppel.

                                                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                                            He didn't win ROY, did he? I DO remember he was supposed to be the hottest pitching prospect the A's had ever seen.... signed this crazy contract that limited him from sooooooooooo many activities, the guy couldn't even mow his yard! Then he just went to poop.

                                                            Very similar story for the Yanks prospect Brien Taylor, who broke his hand in a bar fight and his career was over, before it even started.. I think he got a season or two in at Albany, that's about it.

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