Rookie Of The Year

**AI_Franchise03** · 06-30-2003, 01:05 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

Yeah, and I'm sure C.C. Sabathia had more than 50 innings pitched at his Vallejo HS, and the minor leagues.
To me If you never played before at MLB level then you're a rookie... But I'm uncertain whether I should agree with you upon doing some reasearch.
Seems like Ichiro did just as well in MLB as he did back in Japan. Had more homers, too. The reason I guess Matsui can't put up same numbers is because either the pitching is tougher and/or the the ballparks are larger.

**BatsareBugs** · 06-30-2003, 01:25 AM

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AL-Hideki Matsui, solid numbers
NL-Either Ty Wigginton or Scott Podsednik. Not Dontrelle.

**BatsareBugs** · 06-30-2003, 01:25 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

AL-Hideki Matsui, solid numbers
NL-Either Ty Wigginton or Scott Podsednik. Not Dontrelle.

**BatsareBugs** · 06-30-2003, 01:25 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

AL-Hideki Matsui, solid numbers
NL-Either Ty Wigginton or Scott Podsednik. Not Dontrelle.

**dieselboy** · 06-30-2003, 03:18 AM

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PDex said:
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

Do you think Ichiro or Matsui had more than 130 at-bats at their big league club in Japan?

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You contradicted yourself. Matsui is eligible, as was Ichiro, for rookie of the year because he meets the requirements.

Whether you think its right or wrong, thats the rules. And seeing as how Matsui is eligible, he should win.

**dieselboy** · 06-30-2003, 03:18 AM

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PDex said:
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

Do you think Ichiro or Matsui had more than 130 at-bats at their big league club in Japan?

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You contradicted yourself. Matsui is eligible, as was Ichiro, for rookie of the year because he meets the requirements.

Whether you think its right or wrong, thats the rules. And seeing as how Matsui is eligible, he should win.

**dieselboy** · 06-30-2003, 03:18 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
PDex said:
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any 25 man roster.

Do you think Ichiro or Matsui had more than 130 at-bats at their big league club in Japan?

<hr /></blockquote>

You contradicted yourself. Matsui is eligible, as was Ichiro, for rookie of the year because he meets the requirements.

Whether you think its right or wrong, thats the rules. And seeing as how Matsui is eligible, he should win.

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 05:37 AM

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PDex said:
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AI_Franchise03 said:
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dieselboy said:
Matsui and Willis.

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Agreed.
Also, to the person who mentioned that Japanese players don't classify as rookies, I definetely have to disagree. The pitching and hitting in Japan is different that it is in the MLB. Most pitchers throw sidearmed and most of the strikes thrown are fastballs. No breaking balls or offspeed pitches. Just look how Matsui was affected by the MLB pitching last year during International play.
The American players who enter the league actually have an advantage over the Japanese athlethes because they're used to the pitching and hitting.

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Definition of Rookie: definition

So Ichiro plays PROFESSIONAL baseball in Japan for 9 or so years and comes to America to play PROFESSIONAL baseball. That equals 10 years. He should not be a rookie candidate. Look at all the true *rookie* records he broke against American pitcher his *rookie* year. The pitching excuse is ridiculous. The only difference is they don't throw high 2 seam fastballs and throw more sliders than curveballs.

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Do you know that when guys play in the minors...they are playng professional ball?

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 05:37 AM

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PDex said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
AI_Franchise03 said:
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dieselboy said:
Matsui and Willis.

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Agreed.
Also, to the person who mentioned that Japanese players don't classify as rookies, I definetely have to disagree. The pitching and hitting in Japan is different that it is in the MLB. Most pitchers throw sidearmed and most of the strikes thrown are fastballs. No breaking balls or offspeed pitches. Just look how Matsui was affected by the MLB pitching last year during International play.
The American players who enter the league actually have an advantage over the Japanese athlethes because they're used to the pitching and hitting.

<hr /></blockquote>

Definition of Rookie: definition

So Ichiro plays PROFESSIONAL baseball in Japan for 9 or so years and comes to America to play PROFESSIONAL baseball. That equals 10 years. He should not be a rookie candidate. Look at all the true *rookie* records he broke against American pitcher his *rookie* year. The pitching excuse is ridiculous. The only difference is they don't throw high 2 seam fastballs and throw more sliders than curveballs.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you know that when guys play in the minors...they are playng professional ball?

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 05:37 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
PDex said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
AI_Franchise03 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
dieselboy said:
Matsui and Willis.

<hr /></blockquote>

Agreed.
Also, to the person who mentioned that Japanese players don't classify as rookies, I definetely have to disagree. The pitching and hitting in Japan is different that it is in the MLB. Most pitchers throw sidearmed and most of the strikes thrown are fastballs. No breaking balls or offspeed pitches. Just look how Matsui was affected by the MLB pitching last year during International play.
The American players who enter the league actually have an advantage over the Japanese athlethes because they're used to the pitching and hitting.

<hr /></blockquote>

Definition of Rookie: definition

So Ichiro plays PROFESSIONAL baseball in Japan for 9 or so years and comes to America to play PROFESSIONAL baseball. That equals 10 years. He should not be a rookie candidate. Look at all the true *rookie* records he broke against American pitcher his *rookie* year. The pitching excuse is ridiculous. The only difference is they don't throw high 2 seam fastballs and throw more sliders than curveballs.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you know that when guys play in the minors...they are playng professional ball?

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 05:39 AM

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to the person who said eric byrnes is a rookie he isn't..i think he's been in the majors for about 3 seasons.

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 05:39 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

to the person who said eric byrnes is a rookie he isn't..i think he's been in the majors for about 3 seasons.

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 05:39 AM

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to the person who said eric byrnes is a rookie he isn't..i think he's been in the majors for about 3 seasons.

**PDex** · 06-30-2003, 09:47 AM

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Vinceanity2k3 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
PDex said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
AI_Franchise03 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
dieselboy said:
Matsui and Willis.

<hr /></blockquote>

Agreed.
Also, to the person who mentioned that Japanese players don't classify as rookies, I definetely have to disagree. The pitching and hitting in Japan is different that it is in the MLB. Most pitchers throw sidearmed and most of the strikes thrown are fastballs. No breaking balls or offspeed pitches. Just look how Matsui was affected by the MLB pitching last year during International play.
The American players who enter the league actually have an advantage over the Japanese athlethes because they're used to the pitching and hitting.

<hr /></blockquote>

Definition of Rookie: definition

So Ichiro plays PROFESSIONAL baseball in Japan for 9 or so years and comes to America to play PROFESSIONAL baseball. That equals 10 years. He should not be a rookie candidate. Look at all the true *rookie* records he broke against American pitcher his *rookie* year. The pitching excuse is ridiculous. The only difference is they don't throw high 2 seam fastballs and throw more sliders than curveballs.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you know that when guys play in the minors...they are playng professional ball?

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, I know minor is pro ball. However Japan has minor leagues and majors in a way like ours. Ichiro and Matsui both played at Japan's highest level for quite awhile. I just don't like that they can come over to our highest level of baseball and still be considered rookies.

**PDex** · 06-30-2003, 09:47 AM

Re: Rookie Of The Year

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Vinceanity2k3 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
PDex said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
AI_Franchise03 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
dieselboy said:
Matsui and Willis.

<hr /></blockquote>

Agreed.
Also, to the person who mentioned that Japanese players don't classify as rookies, I definetely have to disagree. The pitching and hitting in Japan is different that it is in the MLB. Most pitchers throw sidearmed and most of the strikes thrown are fastballs. No breaking balls or offspeed pitches. Just look how Matsui was affected by the MLB pitching last year during International play.
The American players who enter the league actually have an advantage over the Japanese athlethes because they're used to the pitching and hitting.

<hr /></blockquote>

Definition of Rookie: definition

So Ichiro plays PROFESSIONAL baseball in Japan for 9 or so years and comes to America to play PROFESSIONAL baseball. That equals 10 years. He should not be a rookie candidate. Look at all the true *rookie* records he broke against American pitcher his *rookie* year. The pitching excuse is ridiculous. The only difference is they don't throw high 2 seam fastballs and throw more sliders than curveballs.

<hr /></blockquote>

Do you know that when guys play in the minors...they are playng professional ball?

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, I know minor is pro ball. However Japan has minor leagues and majors in a way like ours. Ichiro and Matsui both played at Japan's highest level for quite awhile. I just don't like that they can come over to our highest level of baseball and still be considered rookies.

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