Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[SPTO]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

DrJones is right again. Your percentages were a bit off but overall you were correct.

[Speedy]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

DrJones is right again. Your percentages were a bit off but overall you were correct.

Are you going to add this to your sig as well, Dr?

[DrJones]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Are you going to add this to your sig as well, Dr?

No way! I'll never admit my percentages were off!

[econoodle]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Looking at this years votes, Again some weird stuff:


<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th>Player</th> <th>Votes</th> <th>Percent</th> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccffcc"> <td>Roberto Alomar</td> <td>523</td> <td>90.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccffcc"> <td>Bert Blyleven</td> <td>463</td> <td>79.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Barry Larkin</td> <td>361</td> <td>62.1</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Jack Morris</td> <td>311</td> <td>53.5</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Lee Smith</td> <td>263</td> <td>45.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Jeff Bagwell†</td> <td>242</td> <td>41.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Tim Raines</td> <td>218</td> <td>37.5</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Edgar Martinez</td> <td>191</td> <td>32.9</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Alan Trammell</td> <td>141</td> <td>24.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Larry Walker†</td> <td>118</td> <td>20.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Mark McGwire</td> <td>115</td> <td>19.8</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Fred McGriff</td> <td>104</td> <td>17.9</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Dave Parker</td> <td>89</td> <td>15.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Don Mattingly</td> <td>79</td> <td>13.6</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Dale Murphy</td> <td>73</td> <td>12.6</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Rafael Palmeiro†</td> <td>64</td> <td>11.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Juan González†</td> <td>30</td> <td>5.2</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Harold Baines</td> <td>28</td> <td>4.8</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>John Franco†</td> <td>27</td> <td>4.6</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Kevin Brown†</td> <td>12</td> <td>2.1</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Tino Martinez†</td> <td>6</td> <td>1.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Marquis Grissom†</td> <td>4</td> <td>0.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Al Leiter†</td> <td>4</td> <td>0.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>John Olerud†</td> <td>4</td> <td>0.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>B. J. Surhoff†</td> <td>2</td> <td>0.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Bret Boone†</td> <td>1</td> <td>0.2</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Benito Santiago†</td> <td>1</td> <td>0.2</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Carlos Baerga†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Lenny Harris†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Bobby Higginson†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Charles Johnson†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Raúl Mondesí†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Kirk Rueter†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td></tr></tbody></table>

Bret Boone got a Vote? lol

Anyways Mark MCGuire...Maybe he figured getting back in baseball last year might help his cause, but hes floundering.
Mark yes or no? A hard no.


Also, heres a list of 2012 eligibles:

2012: Edgardo Alfonzo, Pedro Astacio, David Bell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Scott Erickson, Carl Everett, Jeff Fassero, Alex S. Gonzalez, Danny Graves, Rick Helling, Dustin Hermanson, Jose Hernandez, Brian Jordan, Matt Lawton, Javy Lopez, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Nelson, Phil Nevin, Brad Radke, Joe Randa, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Jose Vizcaino, Bernie Williams, Eric Young

I dont se anything there worthy of discussion for inclusion.
Which leads me to playrs still on the ballot,

Larkin.
In in 2012?

Tho the 2013 elgibles is really gonna be interesting. take a look.

2013: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker

[dingleberryfinn]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

if Blyleven is in, then Tommy John should be in
(& Bert does belong, imo)

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Seems like some guys who've had trouble in previous ballots might be able to get in, in 2012.

[travis72]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Not sure if this guys been mentioned or not but Dick Allen should be in the HOF. The guy who said Barry Larkin I agree with you. Same with Lee Smith. It is also a shame Ron Santo never got to go in before he past away. To get back to Dick Allen that man could hit and some of the HR's he hit were freaking bombs and that was without steriods,lol.

[DrJones]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Seems like some guys who've had trouble in previous ballots might be able to get in, in 2012.

Larkin will get in for sure.

Last year for Jack Morris on the ballot, so get ready for Nerds vs Iditos: The Final Battle.

[doncoryell]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

If I had a vote, the vote would be no to Dick Allen. 1848 hits, .292 career avg, 351 career HRs are all too low. Just because a guy can hit a ball a mile or send it zooming like a rocket, doesn't make him a HOFer. Case in point: Dave Kingman. He's got 442 career HRs and he's not in, one of the very few with over 400 HRs who are eligible and not in.

For those who would vote yes to Dick Allen, who currently in the HOF, does he have similar stats with?


Here is someone who has compatable stats with Dick Allen:

2107 hits, 352 hr, 1206 rbi, .291 avg, .363 obp, .510 slg -- mr x.

1848 hits, 351 hr, 1119 rbi, .292 avg, .378 obp, .534 slg -- Dick Allen

Would you put mr. x in?

[travis72]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

If I had a vote, the vote would be no to Dick Allen. 1848 hits, .292 career avg, 351 career HRs are all too low. Just because a guy can hit a ball a mile or send it zooming like a rocket, doesn't make him a HOFer. Case in point: Dave Kingman. He's got 442 career HRs and he's not in, one of the very few with over 400 HRs who are eligible and not in.

For those who would vote yes to Dick Allen, who currently in the HOF, does he have similar stats with?


Here is someone who has compatable stats with Dick Allen:

2107 hits, 352 hr, 1206 rbi, .291 avg, .363 obp, .510 slg -- mr x.

1848 hits, 351 hr, 1119 rbi, .292 avg, .378 obp, .534 slg -- Dick Allen

Would you put mr. x in?

I will agree Dave Kingman could be in the hall. Hitting long bombs has nothing to do with being in the HOF. he was one of the most feared hitters in the game when he played. A lot of people think the only reason he is not in is because he got a bad rap off the field. I watch a thing about him a while back and the man got a raw deal back when he played about his attitude. Plus all the racism thant went around at the time he had to deal with. Ther always going to be a difference in opinion about the hof and of course it would not be hallowed if you just put every good player in but i believe there are a few that deserve to be in that are not. Thats the 1 thing that makes baseball's HOF the best 1 in sports IMO is they jsut don't let every good player in like baketball and football.

The player stats you are comparing it all depends on what era they would be in for baseball. Were they form the same era of baseball would be the first thing to look at in comparing the 2.

[Mr5000]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Did the person who voted for Bret Boone ever come forward?

[Sportsforever]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

I will agree Dave Kingman could be in the hall. Hitting long bombs has nothing to do with being in the HOF. he was one of the most feared hitters in the game when he played. A lot of people think the only reason he is not in is because he got a bad rap off the field. I watch a thing about him a while back and the man got a raw deal back when he played about his attitude. Plus all the racism thant went around at the time he had to deal with. Ther always going to be a difference in opinion about the hof and of course it would not be hallowed if you just put every good player in but i believe there are a few that deserve to be in that are not. Thats the 1 thing that makes baseball's HOF the best 1 in sports IMO is they jsut don't let every good player in like baketball and football.

The player stats you are comparing it all depends on what era they would be in for baseball. Were they form the same era of baseball would be the first thing to look at in comparing the 2.

Ah...it didn't take long for our first "he was feared" reference!

[TripleCrown9]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Looking at this years votes, Again some weird stuff:


<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th>Player</th> <th>Votes</th> <th>Percent</th> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccffcc"> <td>Roberto Alomar</td> <td>523</td> <td>90.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ccffcc"> <td>Bert Blyleven</td> <td>463</td> <td>79.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Barry Larkin</td> <td>361</td> <td>62.1</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Jack Morris</td> <td>311</td> <td>53.5</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Lee Smith</td> <td>263</td> <td>45.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Jeff Bagwell†</td> <td>242</td> <td>41.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Tim Raines</td> <td>218</td> <td>37.5</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Edgar Martinez</td> <td>191</td> <td>32.9</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Alan Trammell</td> <td>141</td> <td>24.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Larry Walker†</td> <td>118</td> <td>20.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Mark McGwire</td> <td>115</td> <td>19.8</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Fred McGriff</td> <td>104</td> <td>17.9</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Dave Parker</td> <td>89</td> <td>15.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Don Mattingly</td> <td>79</td> <td>13.6</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Dale Murphy</td> <td>73</td> <td>12.6</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Rafael Palmeiro†</td> <td>64</td> <td>11.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffcc"> <td>Juan González†</td> <td>30</td> <td>5.2</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Harold Baines</td> <td>28</td> <td>4.8</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>John Franco†</td> <td>27</td> <td>4.6</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Kevin Brown†</td> <td>12</td> <td>2.1</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Tino Martinez†</td> <td>6</td> <td>1.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Marquis Grissom†</td> <td>4</td> <td>0.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Al Leiter†</td> <td>4</td> <td>0.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>John Olerud†</td> <td>4</td> <td>0.7</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>B. J. Surhoff†</td> <td>2</td> <td>0.3</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Bret Boone†</td> <td>1</td> <td>0.2</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Benito Santiago†</td> <td>1</td> <td>0.2</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Carlos Baerga†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Lenny Harris†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Bobby Higginson†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Charles Johnson†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Raúl Mondesí†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffcccc"> <td>Kirk Rueter†</td> <td>0</td> <td>0.0</td></tr></tbody></table>

Bret Boone got a Vote? lol

Anyways Mark MCGuire...Maybe he figured getting back in baseball last year might help his cause, but hes floundering.
Mark yes or no? A hard no.


Also, heres a list of 2012 eligibles:

2012: Edgardo Alfonzo, Pedro Astacio, David Bell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Scott Erickson, Carl Everett, Jeff Fassero, Alex S. Gonzalez, Danny Graves, Rick Helling, Dustin Hermanson, Jose Hernandez, Brian Jordan, Matt Lawton, Javy Lopez, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Nelson, Phil Nevin, Brad Radke, Joe Randa, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Jose Vizcaino, Bernie Williams, Eric Young

I dont se anything there worthy of discussion for inclusion.
Which leads me to playrs still on the ballot,

Larkin.
In in 2012?

Tho the 2013 elgibles is really gonna be interesting. take a look.

2013: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker

Did you bold the one's you think will get in or the biggest names? Because I would vote for Biggio and Wells, also.

[snepp]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

There's no comparison between Allen and Kingman. One was an elite hitter, the other hit a lot of home runs.

Something to chew on....

<table data-crop="50" data-freeze="6" class="stats_table nav_table"><thead><tr><th align="right">Rank</th> <th>Player (age)</th> <th align="right">Adjusted OPS+</th><th>Bats</th></tr> </thead> <tbody><tr class=""><td align="right">1.</td><td>Babe Ruth+ </td><td align="right">206</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">2.</td><td>Ted Williams+ </td><td align="right">190</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">3.</td><td>Barry Bonds </td><td align="right">181</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">4.</td><td>Lou Gehrig+ </td><td align="right">178</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">5.</td><td>Rogers Hornsby+ </td><td align="right">175</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">6.</td><td>Mickey Mantle+ </td><td align="right">172</td><td align="right">B</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Albert Pujols (30)</td><td align="right">172</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">8.</td><td>Dan Brouthers+ </td><td align="right">170</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Shoeless Joe Jackson </td><td align="right">170</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">10.</td><td>Ty Cobb+ </td><td align="right">168</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">11.</td><td>Jimmie Foxx+ </td><td align="right">163</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">12.</td><td>Pete Browning </td><td align="right">162</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Mark McGwire </td><td align="right">162</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Dave Orr </td><td align="right">162</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">15.</td><td>Stan Musial+ </td><td align="right">159</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">16.</td><td>Hank Greenberg+ </td><td align="right">158</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Johnny Mize+ </td><td align="right">158</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">18.</td><td>Tris Speaker+ </td><td align="right">157</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">19.</td><td>Dick Allen </td><td align="right">156</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Frank Thomas </td><td align="right">156</td><td align="right">R</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table data-crop="50" data-freeze="6" class="stats_table nav_table"><tbody><tr class=""><td align="right">182.</td><td>Moises Alou </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Mickey Cochrane+ </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Doc Gessler </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Goose Goslin+ </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Topsy Hartsel </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Keith Hernandez </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Kent Hrbek </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Ryan Klesko </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Justin Morneau (29)</td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>John Olerud </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Magglio Ordonez (36)</td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>John Reilly </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">***
</td><td>Jim Rice+ </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Tim Salmon </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Sammy Sosa </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Joe Torre </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Jim Wynn </td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Kevin Youkilis (31)</td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">R</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table data-crop="50" data-freeze="6" class="stats_table nav_table"><tbody><tr class=""><td align="right">475.</td><td>Curt Blefary </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Russell Branyan (34)</td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Don Buford </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">B</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Gary Carter+ </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Eric Chavez (32)</td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Willie Crawford </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Bobby Doerr+ </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Bob Fothergill </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Brad Hawpe (31)</td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Solly Hemus </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Aubrey Huff (33)</td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Don Hurst </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">***
</td><td>Dave Kingman </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Carlos Lee (34)</td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Dale Long </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr class=""><td align="right">
</td><td>Kevin McReynolds </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Dwayne Murphy </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Rick Reichardt </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Reggie Sanders </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Elmer Valo </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Tillie Walker </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Pete Ward </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Jimmy Williams </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Taffy Wright </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">L</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">
</td><td>Robin Yount+ </td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">R</td></tr></tbody></table>

[econoodle]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Did you bold the one's you think will get in or the biggest names? Because I would vote for Biggio and Wells, also.

No I just bolded the interesting ones, based on steroid allegations.
Piazza and Schilling because I thought they would be interesting to discuss.

I agree on your two names.
That will be a good year to watch.