You really think they'll get in through the veterans committees? I have a hard time believing that (at least early on) based on the ill advised and stupid letter Joe Morgan sent to voters. If he's reflective of the guys voting there than it might take a whole generational shift in those committees before Bonds and Clemens get in if they aren't voted in by the writers already.
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You really think they'll get in through the veterans committees? I have a hard time believing that (at least early on) based on the ill advised and stupid letter Joe Morgan sent to voters. If he's reflective of the guys voting there than it might take a whole generational shift in those committees before Bonds and Clemens get in if they aren't voted in by the writers already.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Remember, the ballot tracker tends to tilt toward the younger, sabermetrically-inclined HOF voters. So I'd expect the final numbers to be higher for Hoffman and Vizquel, lower for Edgar, Mussina, Bonds/Clemens. If Andruw's at 6.1% on the tracker, I doubt he's going to get 5% in the final tally.
Predictions:
2018: Chipper, Thome, Vladdy, Hoffman
2019: Rivera, Edgar
2020: Jeter, maybe Mussina
Player who will generate the most tiresome arguments over the next 5 years (aside than Vizquel): Andy Pettitte, who will likely be the first beneficiary of The "Well, Jack Morris is a HOF'er, and Pettitte's better than Morris, so..." Theorem. Said theorem will help a lot of guys with borderline cases but BIG GAME reputations (well, except for those with an extensive collection of Nazi memorabilia).
I think Bonds and Clemens will make it at some point, but not through BBWAA voting. The only way I see it happening within the next 5 years is if someone who's already been elected to the HoF is outed as a juicer. Then there'll be a year or two of hand-wringing ("Should Player X be kicked out of the HOF??" "Won't somebody please think of the children???"), followed by a year or two of "Well, if Player X juiced and is allowed to stay in the Hall, why are we keeping these other juicers (with much better stats) out?" Bound to happen eventually.Chicago Cubs | Chicago Bulls | Green Bay Packers | Michigan WolverinesComment
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You really think they'll get in through the veterans committees? I have a hard time believing that (at least early on) based on the ill advised and stupid letter Joe Morgan sent to voters. If he's reflective of the guys voting there than it might take a whole generational shift in those committees before Bonds and Clemens get in if they aren't voted in by the writers already.Originally posted by Thrash13Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.Originally posted by slickdtcDrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.Originally posted by Kipnis22yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your postComment
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Originally posted by Thrash13Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.Originally posted by slickdtcDrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.Originally posted by Kipnis22yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your postComment
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Just under 24 hours away from the announcement.
Chipper
Vlad
Thome
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Andrew is awfully close to the edge.Boston Red Sox
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I'll be very (pleasantly) surprised if Edgar makes it this year. I think he falls about 5% short, goes in with Rivera in 2019.Originally posted by Thrash13Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.Originally posted by slickdtcDrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.Originally posted by Kipnis22yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your postComment
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How do you guys feel about the rule of 10? To me it’s perfectly fine as I am a small hall guy. And I feel the opposition to get rid of the rule is a little overstated. As of right now just over half of the ballots that have been revealed contain 10 names.
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Can't wait to see which pretentious baseball writer *******s omit Chipper and Thome from their ballots preventing them from going in with 100%Comment
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Chris Russo doesn't have a HOF ballot (thank goodness) but on MLB Network's roundtable he said he wasn't voting for them because they already have the votes and he voted on other folks to "keep" them on the ballot. I wonder how many who actually have a vote do this in philosophy.Originally posted by Gibson88Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.Comment
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Chris Russo doesn't have a HOF ballot (thank goodness) but on MLB Network's roundtable he said he wasn't voting for them because they already have the votes and he voted on other folks to "keep" them on the ballot. I wonder how many who actually have a vote do this in philosophy.
I have seen like 3 or 4 voters say they have done this whether it’s in regard to Thome or Vlad.
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Chris Russo doesn't have a HOF ballot (thank goodness) but on MLB Network's roundtable he said he wasn't voting for them because they already have the votes and he voted on other folks to "keep" them on the ballot. I wonder how many who actually have a vote do this in philosophy.
Andruw is going to be SO close...he was at 5.8% as of this morning with 57% of the votes "known"."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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