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  • SPTO
    binging
    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #1696
    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

    Originally posted by DrJones

    I think Bonds and Clemens will make it at some point, but not through BBWAA voting. The only way I see it happening within the next 5 years is if someone who's already been elected to the HoF is outed as a juicer. Then there'll be a year or two of hand-wringing ("Should Player X be kicked out of the HOF??" "Won't somebody please think of the children???"), followed by a year or two of "Well, if Player X juiced and is allowed to stay in the Hall, why are we keeping these other juicers (with much better stats) out?" Bound to happen eventually.
    You really think they'll get in through the veterans committees? I have a hard time believing that (at least early on) based on the ill advised and stupid letter Joe Morgan sent to voters. If he's reflective of the guys voting there than it might take a whole generational shift in those committees before Bonds and Clemens get in if they aren't voted in by the writers already.
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    • WaitTilNextYear
      Go Cubs Go
      • Mar 2013
      • 16830

      #1697
      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

      Originally posted by DrJones
      Remember, the ballot tracker tends to tilt toward the younger, sabermetrically-inclined HOF voters. So I'd expect the final numbers to be higher for Hoffman and Vizquel, lower for Edgar, Mussina, Bonds/Clemens. If Andruw's at 6.1% on the tracker, I doubt he's going to get 5% in the final tally.

      Predictions:

      2018: Chipper, Thome, Vladdy, Hoffman
      2019: Rivera, Edgar
      2020: Jeter, maybe Mussina

      Player who will generate the most tiresome arguments over the next 5 years (aside than Vizquel): Andy Pettitte, who will likely be the first beneficiary of The "Well, Jack Morris is a HOF'er, and Pettitte's better than Morris, so..." Theorem. Said theorem will help a lot of guys with borderline cases but BIG GAME reputations (well, except for those with an extensive collection of Nazi memorabilia).

      I think Bonds and Clemens will make it at some point, but not through BBWAA voting. The only way I see it happening within the next 5 years is if someone who's already been elected to the HoF is outed as a juicer. Then there'll be a year or two of hand-wringing ("Should Player X be kicked out of the HOF??" "Won't somebody please think of the children???"), followed by a year or two of "Well, if Player X juiced and is allowed to stay in the Hall, why are we keeping these other juicers (with much better stats) out?" Bound to happen eventually.
      Curt Schilling? Did I guess that right? What do I win? No knowledge of the statement, but he's the first one I'd suspect. lol
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      • DrJones
        All Star
        • Mar 2003
        • 9109

        #1698
        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

        Originally posted by SPTO
        You really think they'll get in through the veterans committees? I have a hard time believing that (at least early on) based on the ill advised and stupid letter Joe Morgan sent to voters. If he's reflective of the guys voting there than it might take a whole generational shift in those committees before Bonds and Clemens get in if they aren't voted in by the writers already.
        As it's currently set up? You're probably right. However, I don't think the Veterans Committee will be composed of hypocritical ex-players forever.
        Originally posted by Thrash13
        Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
        Originally posted by slickdtc
        DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
        Originally posted by Kipnis22
        yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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        • DrJones
          All Star
          • Mar 2003
          • 9109

          #1699
          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

          Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
          Curt Schilling? Did I guess that right? What do I win? No knowledge of the statement, but he's the first one I'd suspect. lol
          Originally posted by Thrash13
          Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
          Originally posted by slickdtc
          DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
          Originally posted by Kipnis22
          yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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          • TripleCrown9
            Keep the Faith
            • May 2010
            • 23710

            #1700
            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

            Just under 24 hours away from the announcement.

            Chipper
            Vlad
            Thome
            Hoffman
            Edgar

            Andrew is awfully close to the edge.
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            • DrJones
              All Star
              • Mar 2003
              • 9109

              #1701
              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

              Originally posted by TripleCrown9
              Just under 24 hours away from the announcement.

              Chipper
              Vlad
              Thome
              Hoffman
              Edgar

              Andrew is awfully close to the edge.
              I'll be very (pleasantly) surprised if Edgar makes it this year. I think he falls about 5% short, goes in with Rivera in 2019.
              Originally posted by Thrash13
              Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
              Originally posted by slickdtc
              DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
              Originally posted by Kipnis22
              yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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              • LowerWolf
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jun 2006
                • 12272

                #1702
                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                Chipper being a HOFer makes me feel really old. Vlad too.

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                • Majingir
                  Moderator
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 47678

                  #1703
                  Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                  Originally posted by LowerWolf
                  Chipper being a HOFer makes me feel really old. Vlad too.
                  If it makes you feel older, Vlad could be entering the HOF the same year his son makes his MLB debut.

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                  • SPTO
                    binging
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #1704
                    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                    Originally posted by Majingir
                    If it makes you feel older, Vlad could be entering the HOF the same year his son makes his MLB debut.
                    Sheeesh, while you're at it why don't you give Lowerwolf and I some canes.
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                    • redsox4evur
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 18169

                      #1705
                      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                      How do you guys feel about the rule of 10? To me it’s perfectly fine as I am a small hall guy. And I feel the opposition to get rid of the rule is a little overstated. As of right now just over half of the ballots that have been revealed contain 10 names.


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                      • TheMatrix31
                        RF
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 52927

                        #1706
                        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                        Can't wait to see which pretentious baseball writer *******s omit Chipper and Thome from their ballots preventing them from going in with 100%

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                        • TripleCrown9
                          Keep the Faith
                          • May 2010
                          • 23710

                          #1707
                          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                          Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                          Can't wait to see which pretentious baseball writer *******s omit Chipper and Thome from their ballots preventing them from going in with 100%
                          If Griffey couldn't get 100%, Chipper and Thome surely won't either.
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                          • Speedy
                            #Ace
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 16143

                            #1708
                            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                            Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                            If Griffey couldn't get 100%, Chipper and Thome surely won't either.
                            Chris Russo doesn't have a HOF ballot (thank goodness) but on MLB Network's roundtable he said he wasn't voting for them because they already have the votes and he voted on other folks to "keep" them on the ballot. I wonder how many who actually have a vote do this in philosophy.
                            Originally posted by Gibson88
                            Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                            It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                            • redsox4evur
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 18169

                              #1709
                              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                              Originally posted by Speedy
                              Chris Russo doesn't have a HOF ballot (thank goodness) but on MLB Network's roundtable he said he wasn't voting for them because they already have the votes and he voted on other folks to "keep" them on the ballot. I wonder how many who actually have a vote do this in philosophy.

                              I have seen like 3 or 4 voters say they have done this whether it’s in regard to Thome or Vlad.


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                              • Sportsforever
                                NL MVP
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 20368

                                #1710
                                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                                Originally posted by Speedy
                                Chris Russo doesn't have a HOF ballot (thank goodness) but on MLB Network's roundtable he said he wasn't voting for them because they already have the votes and he voted on other folks to "keep" them on the ballot. I wonder how many who actually have a vote do this in philosophy.
                                That was Brian Kenny who said that...

                                Andruw is going to be SO close...he was at 5.8% as of this morning with 57% of the votes "known".
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