Players Who Deserve To Be In The Hall of Fame But will Never get In

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Albert Belle : While it may seem a questionable pick at first you must take a look at Belle's career stats. .295 Batting Average, 381 Homers and 1239 RBI's. The five time silver slugger winner has similar numbers to outfielders Kirby Puckett and Jim Rice in a much shorter career. Alas he was hated by the Media so he will never reach Cooperstown

Bert Blyleven : 287 wins, 3.31 ERA and he isn't in the Hall yet. despite his 250 loses those are impressive stats for a pitcher.

Paul O'Neill : Ok it's a homer pick but listen up please. O'Neill has compiled some impressive career stats. a solid .288 batting average 281 homers and 1269 RBI's. in addition he has over 2000 career hits, 400 career doubles and 1000 runs scored not to mention he averaged 95 RBI's in his nine seasons with the Yankees and won 5 titles in his career

Don Mattingly : 9 time Gold Glove winner, 1 time MVP. 2153 career hits, 1099 RBI's .307 BA. His last 5 major league seasons were hampered by a bad back yet still complied some impressive statistic's

Tommy John : he had a surgery named after him and won 20 games after wards not to mention he was on the cusp of 300 wins with 288 and had a very good career ERA.

Andre Dawson : The man stole 300 bases and hit 400 home runs if that is not hall of fame worthy then i don't know what is

There you go. i am not mention pete rose because i still believe he will get in eventually

[Chip Douglass]

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Dawson was inducted last year.

On another note, I totally agree with Belle. He'll probably never get in though since he was a complete dick.

[Chip Douglass]

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APaul O'Neill : Ok it's a homer pick but listen up please. O'Neill has compiled some impressive career stats. a solid .288 batting average 281 homers and 1269 RBI's. in addition he has over 2000 career hits, 400 career doubles and 1000 runs scored not to mention he averaged 95 RBI's in his nine seasons with the Yankees and won 5 titles in his career.

I listened, but I'm not buying.

14 years of 2.9 WAR just isn't HOF-worthy.

[DirrtySouth78]

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Now I already know that I'm gonna get killed for this one, but what about Jose Canseco?? I mean I remember watching him on those A's Bash Brothers teams and he was an absolute monster. OK so he had a lil help, he still had to put in work in the gym to look that good, and he still had to hit,run,field. And for awhile he was pretty f'n good.

I'm not saying he "deserves" to be there, but he is a guy I usually bring up in HOF discussions just to see what people think. I always thought he was a pretty good player, Steroids or not.

[Bellsprout]

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^^^
If you're going to open the steroids floodgate, is Canseco really the first of that group that gets in? Wouldn't it be McGwire?

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So many to name that I'll get ill just thinking about it.

[dalnet22]

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Pete Rose
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Rafael Palmeiro
Roger Clemens

[M11x]

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Dale Murphy was arguably the best all around player in the majors from the early to mid 1980's.

[jth1331]

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Albert Belle : While it may seem a questionable pick at first you must take a look at Belle's career stats. .295 Batting Average, 381 Homers and 1239 RBI's. The five time silver slugger winner has similar numbers to outfielders Kirby Puckett and Jim Rice in a much shorter career. Alas he was hated by the Media so he will never reach Cooperstown

Yeah, if he wasn't such a prick and the unfortunate injury to end his career early, he'd be a lock.

Bert Blyleven : 287 wins, 3.31 ERA and he isn't in the Hall yet. despite his 250 loses those are impressive stats for a pitcher.

He was good, on the fence with him though.

Paul O'Neill : Ok it's a homer pick but listen up please. O'Neill has compiled some impressive career stats. a solid .288 batting average 281 homers and 1269 RBI's. in addition he has over 2000 career hits, 400 career doubles and 1000 runs scored not to mention he averaged 95 RBI's in his nine seasons with the Yankees and won 5 titles in his career

Take off the homer glasses and say if he played on the Red Sox and posted those numbers, without the titles, does he get in? The answer is without a doubt NO. He was a good player, but HOF worthy? Not even close.

Don Mattingly : 9 time Gold Glove winner, 1 time MVP. 2153 career hits, 1099 RBI's .307 BA. His last 5 major league seasons were hampered by a bad back yet still complied some impressive statistic's

Another good ballplayer, but just didn't do enough to get in the HOF. Needed more seasons like his mid to late 80's seasons.

Tommy John : he had a surgery named after him and won 20 games after wards not to mention he was on the cusp of 300 wins with 288 and had a very good career ERA.

Too many of these old time pitchers have so many wins people overlook that they were more above average during their playing days than the great the HOF is.

One guy I think deserves a mention:

Larry Walker, not a single mention but the guy raked when he played, I don't care if he played in Colorado or not, the guy tore it up all over. Injuries killed him though, but 1300+ runs, 2100+ hits, 383 HR's, 1300+ RBI's, .313 average, .400 OBP, OPS of .965 plus was a good fielder having a tremendous arm.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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I listened, but I'm not buying.

14 years of 3.1 WAR just isn't HOF-worthy.

So Jim Rice shouldn't be in the HOF? He had a career 2.6 WAR.

Or how about Tony Gwynn and his 3.4 WAR?

[Blzer]

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Pete Rose
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Rafael Palmeiro
Roger Clemens

Those. It would be much easier for me to say Palmeiro if he didn't just leave the face of the earth and stuck around for a few more strokes.

I'm not choosing McGwire or Sosa not because of their possible steroid usage (I mean that in the likes of Sosa), but because I don't like one-tool players making the Hall of Fame, almost like how I don't think designated hitters should be making their way into the Hall either.

Does anyone here know that Sosa has a 74.1% contact percentage? That's not a statistic that you'll see on any website, but that is one that I do for my softball players because it is important. That means that of the opportunities in which he has to put the ball in play (excludes bases on balls & hit-by-pitches and includes sacrifice bunts), he puts the ball in play less than three of every four opportunities. That is sad. That is abysmal is what it is. I render that if you are under 83.0% or so, you are more or less considered a player that is somewhat prone to strike out in a given situation.

EDIT: By saying what I said above, what I mean is that you aren't afraid to say that with two strikes you may lack some sort of confidence that he will assuredly put that ball in play. If 83.3% is a strikeout per every six opportunities, then 83.0% is actually somewhat decent.

To put this into perspective, Mark Reynolds has a poor contact percentage of 62.3% (you do not want to be a Mark Reynolds) and Adam Dunn has one of 67.7%. Those are unbearably low numbers, although you do like to credit a man like Dunn for a considerably higher on base percentage than someone like Sosa.

In short, none of these guys should even be sniffing the Hall. Yes, Sosa has a crap load of home runs, but steroids or not, one number simply ain't telling enough.

[dalnet22]

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Valid and somewhat convincing argument, Blzer. Where did you find the career contact %s? Do they have it for each year?

[Blzer]

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Valid and somewhat convincing argument, Blzer. Where did you find the career contact %s? Do they have it for each year?

Nope, just do the math yourself I guess. I'm surprised they don't have anything like this as far as real life numbers go, but I've been doing it the past for years for my sister's softball team as I said. I just do (PA-BB-HBP-SO)/(PA-BB-HBP). In other words, the number of times you put the ball in play given the number of opportunities.

I think the main point of my argument is that a strikeout is a completely unproductive out. Obviously a double play is less than productive (unless a run scores on it, in which case you're still not credited with an RBI), but if your level of production with home runs hit comes at the cost of striking out in over 25% of all opportunities you have to put the ball in place, that's quite shameful. Worse things can obviously be said for guys like Dunn and Reynolds, but at least Dunn does draw walks pretty often, so there still is some level of production there. But, he's not really a part of this Hall of Fame conversation, he is simply a reference point. For a man that swings so hard so often just to get a single statistic very high up, at the cost of how many strikeouts he has in comparison, isn't a very convincing argument to get my vote.

Then you have someone like Bonds who obviously has to be in this mix with the steroid talks (though I voided that subject matter for Sosa). His 700/500 numbers whilst being the home run king, plentiful amount of walks, just under .300 career batting average, and had there not been collusive snubbage from the MLB he was but 65 hits away from 3,000 and 4 RBI away from 2,000? Also maybe one of the only players to have more home runs than strikeouts in a 40+ HR season as well. I don't see how he could ever be ruled out.

[TheLetterZ]

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Ron Santo, who is one of the best third basemen to ever play baseball.

[dalnet22]

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Ron Santo, who is one of the best third basemen to ever play baseball.

Spoken like a silly Cubs fan.