Re: who is the greatest player ever?
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TheTruth916 said:
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dce1228 said:
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TheTruth916 said:
none of those guys are the greatest players. The Greatest player and the first black person that would have crossed over is "THE BLACK" Babe Ruth, "The Phenom" Josh Gibson
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most negro league experts and players alike think Oscar Charleston was better than Gibson, as he was considered better defensively and on the basepaths while hitting for the batting average and homers like Gibson.
Oscar was a 1b and a manager and when Oscar came over to Pittsburgh Crawfords he was always second fiddle to Josh in batting average and homeruns and RBI. He doesn't have the numbers like Josh does and the only thing he had for him was that he was compared to Ruth and Cobb. Oscar had a career batting average of .379 I do believe and Gibson had a .391
"The Black Ty Cobb" Oscar Charleston
"The Black Babe Ruth" Josh Gibson
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Awesome! a who's better within the negro leagues debate!
Comparing Josh to Oscar straight up for when they played together is difficult since Oscar began his career in the late teens and Josh in the 1930s. From what I've read about Oscar from experts of the time is that he hit home runs most every night, and that he was built like Ruth, small legs, barrel-chested-- but that he also, as you pointed out, played a hard nosed game on the field as well as the plate like Cobb. Frankly, I think cases could be made for either being better, but that both are in my top 10 for greatest players ever.
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TheTruth916 said:
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dce1228 said:
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TheTruth916 said:
none of those guys are the greatest players. The Greatest player and the first black person that would have crossed over is "THE BLACK" Babe Ruth, "The Phenom" Josh Gibson
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most negro league experts and players alike think Oscar Charleston was better than Gibson, as he was considered better defensively and on the basepaths while hitting for the batting average and homers like Gibson.
Oscar was a 1b and a manager and when Oscar came over to Pittsburgh Crawfords he was always second fiddle to Josh in batting average and homeruns and RBI. He doesn't have the numbers like Josh does and the only thing he had for him was that he was compared to Ruth and Cobb. Oscar had a career batting average of .379 I do believe and Gibson had a .391
"The Black Ty Cobb" Oscar Charleston
"The Black Babe Ruth" Josh Gibson
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Awesome! a who's better within the negro leagues debate!
Comparing Josh to Oscar straight up for when they played together is difficult since Oscar began his career in the late teens and Josh in the 1930s. From what I've read about Oscar from experts of the time is that he hit home runs most every night, and that he was built like Ruth, small legs, barrel-chested-- but that he also, as you pointed out, played a hard nosed game on the field as well as the plate like Cobb. Frankly, I think cases could be made for either being better, but that both are in my top 10 for greatest players ever.
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