What is all the BS I'm hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

[PDex]

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AI_Franchise03 said:
Oh, no? They didn't make a big deal out of Ichiro's ROY.
If you have given it to Jap. players in the past, the least you could is maintain consistency. You want to change the rules, do it BEFORE the season, Not halfway or by the end.

Why do people think Japanese players shouldn't win the ROY?
The award was named after Jackie Robinson.

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Actually there was a huge fuss over Ichiro's ROY. C.c. Sabathia had an amazing year. 17-6 I believe. Those are pretty close to ace stats and he didn't even get the ROY.

[TheTruth916]

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Japan is Major League Baseball not reference to the MLB. AAA or Single A are called Minors its not a Major League.

it's pro ball but not big league and When you play 10 years in japan in the big leagues there it's like you are playing MLB so they are not rooks. Simple Japan League equals MLB.

[TheTruth916]

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY?

Japan is Major League Baseball not reference to the MLB. AAA or Single A are called Minors its not a Major League.

it's pro ball but not big league and When you play 10 years in japan in the big leagues there it's like you are playing MLB so they are not rooks. Simple Japan League equals MLB.

[TheTruth916]

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY?

Japan is Major League Baseball not reference to the MLB. AAA or Single A are called Minors its not a Major League.

it's pro ball but not big league and When you play 10 years in japan in the big leagues there it's like you are playing MLB so they are not rooks. Simple Japan League equals MLB.

[dales]

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TheTruth916 said:
Japan is Major League Baseball not reference to the MLB. AAA or Single A are called Minors its not a Major League.

it's pro ball but not big league and When you play 10 years in japan in the big leagues there it's like you are playing MLB so they are not rooks. Simple Japan League equals MLB.

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I understand the minors aren't the majors (obviously). However, it is professional baseball. The same goes for Japan.

As far as Japan League=MLB, this is certainly not true. The talent in the majors is far greater than that in the Japan League. Why do you think Ichiro's average dropped from .353 in Japan to .329 in the US (these are career averages from each league). His OBP has also gone from .421 in Japan to .375 in the MLB. Slugging has also lowered; .522 to .441. On a side note, he has been caught stealing more times already in just over 2 1/2 years in the majors than he was in 8 seasons in Japan.

This is just a testament to how much better the talent is in the majors. The increase in talent from Japan to the majors is comparable to that of going from the minors to the majors.

[dales]

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TheTruth916 said:
Japan is Major League Baseball not reference to the MLB. AAA or Single A are called Minors its not a Major League.

it's pro ball but not big league and When you play 10 years in japan in the big leagues there it's like you are playing MLB so they are not rooks. Simple Japan League equals MLB.

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I understand the minors aren't the majors (obviously). However, it is professional baseball. The same goes for Japan.

As far as Japan League=MLB, this is certainly not true. The talent in the majors is far greater than that in the Japan League. Why do you think Ichiro's average dropped from .353 in Japan to .329 in the US (these are career averages from each league). His OBP has also gone from .421 in Japan to .375 in the MLB. Slugging has also lowered; .522 to .441. On a side note, he has been caught stealing more times already in just over 2 1/2 years in the majors than he was in 8 seasons in Japan.

This is just a testament to how much better the talent is in the majors. The increase in talent from Japan to the majors is comparable to that of going from the minors to the majors.

[dales]

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TheTruth916 said:
Japan is Major League Baseball not reference to the MLB. AAA or Single A are called Minors its not a Major League.

it's pro ball but not big league and When you play 10 years in japan in the big leagues there it's like you are playing MLB so they are not rooks. Simple Japan League equals MLB.

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I understand the minors aren't the majors (obviously). However, it is professional baseball. The same goes for Japan.

As far as Japan League=MLB, this is certainly not true. The talent in the majors is far greater than that in the Japan League. Why do you think Ichiro's average dropped from .353 in Japan to .329 in the US (these are career averages from each league). His OBP has also gone from .421 in Japan to .375 in the MLB. Slugging has also lowered; .522 to .441. On a side note, he has been caught stealing more times already in just over 2 1/2 years in the majors than he was in 8 seasons in Japan.

This is just a testament to how much better the talent is in the majors. The increase in talent from Japan to the majors is comparable to that of going from the minors to the majors.

[kweiss]

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AI_Franchise03 said:
Oh, no? They didn't make a big deal out of Ichiro's ROY.
If you have given it to Jap. players in the past, the least you could is maintain consistency. You want to change the rules, do it BEFORE the season, Not halfway or by the end.

Why do people think Japanese players shouldn't win the ROY?
The award was named after Jackie Robinson.

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Last time I checked people made a huge deal over Ichiro's award. The fact is, he played professional ball over in Japan, and if you were previously a professional, you shouldn't be eligible for ROY. Let's be honest, when you think of rookie, you don't think of a 30 year old guy who came over from playing professional ball in Japan. Part of being a rookie is being called up from the minors, adapting to the new speed of the game, and being that "new guy" that everyone pulls pranks on in the locker room.

[kweiss]

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AI_Franchise03 said:
Oh, no? They didn't make a big deal out of Ichiro's ROY.
If you have given it to Jap. players in the past, the least you could is maintain consistency. You want to change the rules, do it BEFORE the season, Not halfway or by the end.

Why do people think Japanese players shouldn't win the ROY?
The award was named after Jackie Robinson.

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Last time I checked people made a huge deal over Ichiro's award. The fact is, he played professional ball over in Japan, and if you were previously a professional, you shouldn't be eligible for ROY. Let's be honest, when you think of rookie, you don't think of a 30 year old guy who came over from playing professional ball in Japan. Part of being a rookie is being called up from the minors, adapting to the new speed of the game, and being that "new guy" that everyone pulls pranks on in the locker room.

[kweiss]

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AI_Franchise03 said:
Oh, no? They didn't make a big deal out of Ichiro's ROY.
If you have given it to Jap. players in the past, the least you could is maintain consistency. You want to change the rules, do it BEFORE the season, Not halfway or by the end.

Why do people think Japanese players shouldn't win the ROY?
The award was named after Jackie Robinson.

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Last time I checked people made a huge deal over Ichiro's award. The fact is, he played professional ball over in Japan, and if you were previously a professional, you shouldn't be eligible for ROY. Let's be honest, when you think of rookie, you don't think of a 30 year old guy who came over from playing professional ball in Japan. Part of being a rookie is being called up from the minors, adapting to the new speed of the game, and being that "new guy" that everyone pulls pranks on in the locker room.

[JStro]

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If Barry Bonds went over to Japan, should he be allowed to win the Rookie Of the Year if he had a great year?

[JStro]

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY?

If Barry Bonds went over to Japan, should he be allowed to win the Rookie Of the Year if he had a great year?

[JStro]

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY?

If Barry Bonds went over to Japan, should he be allowed to win the Rookie Of the Year if he had a great year?

[rsox]

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JStro said:
If Barry Bonds went over to Japan, should he be allowed to win the Rookie Of the Year if he had a great year?

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No, in Japan when one of our players goes to play in the Japanese League they are not considered rookies,
unless they still hold rookie status here, Bonds would not be a rookie over there just like Matsui,Nomo,Ichiro or Sasaki should not be or have been considered rookies,
take Kaz Sasaki, the all time Saves leader in Japan comes here and is a rookie, he should have been insulted, the Saves are what got him here, and then he's just another rookie,
it's nonsense, let the vets from other leagues be considrerd vets here, and let an actual rookie win the award.

[rsox]

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JStro said:
If Barry Bonds went over to Japan, should he be allowed to win the Rookie Of the Year if he had a great year?

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No, in Japan when one of our players goes to play in the Japanese League they are not considered rookies,
unless they still hold rookie status here, Bonds would not be a rookie over there just like Matsui,Nomo,Ichiro or Sasaki should not be or have been considered rookies,
take Kaz Sasaki, the all time Saves leader in Japan comes here and is a rookie, he should have been insulted, the Saves are what got him here, and then he's just another rookie,
it's nonsense, let the vets from other leagues be considrerd vets here, and let an actual rookie win the award.