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Re: Felix Hernandez
Honestly, I don't see much of a difference in effectiveness between peak-Halladay and peak-Felix. And that's for league-adjusted and park-adjusted numbers. They're both work-horses. Felix's K rates are higher, Roy's BB walks are lower. ERA+, ERA- tend to prefer Felix, FIP, FIP- tend to prefer Roy.
IMO, they're both great and its impossible to clearly define one better than the other. Its basically a comparison of Heidi Klum in her prime vs Brooklyn Decker in her prime.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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Re: Felix Hernandez
Yea...both these guys are horses and dominate the game.
Something interesting that I looked at just now. They pitched almost the identical amount of innings w/ Halladay going one more inning than Felix in 2010. Halladay's hit total against was pretty high, but the low walks score in his favor since he allowed 3 less base runners when comparing Felix's Hits+walks totals.Originally posted by Edmund BurkeComment
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Re: Felix Hernandez
On a better team (not saying much) he'd be a real threat to win 25 games.
He's got it all. Throws a ton of innings, strikeouts, great whip, he just has no weakness at all. Last year I remember seeing him come into New York a few times and shutting out New York. Nobody does that! Lol.
He's not even 25 like you said, and he's already struck out over 1,000. He's the real deal.
If he ever came available, I would have Scherzer, Porcello, Jackson, Jacob Turner, and anybody else not named Cabrera or Verlander on the first flight to Seattle.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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Re: Felix Hernandez
Not likely. Guys only get 32-33 starts per season and so many factors would need to happen for someone to win 25 games. There's a good possibility that we may never see that happen again.
Plus, wins are an absolutely awful way to judge how good a pitcher is, but saying that is like beating a dead horse.Comment
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Re: Felix Hernandez
Yes, it's a horrible indicator. But that doesn't mean there is no point to get them. I mean Hernandez won like 12 last year.
That hasn't been done in forever, which shows how great Felix is. I swear that I read something where he went at least 7 innings, gave up 1 run, and lost like 6 or 7 of those games. The only real chance he has to win games is to be perfect. No other pitcher today can say that.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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Re: Felix Hernandez
He lost 8 games in which the Mariners scored 1 or fewer runs.
The major improvement with Felix was on display against Oakland on Friday. Didn't have his best stuff early, so he dropped his velocity, hit his spots, got ahead of the A's batters, and almost effortlessly cruised the next 8 innings. In the past, that would have been a meltdown.
He's not just an overpowering thrower anymore, he's become a pitcher. That was a very Roy-like performance on Friday.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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Re: Felix Hernandez
By pitcher's WAR, Felix's last two seasons are Halladay's 5th-6th best seasons in Toronto. And they're Halladay's 6th-7th best seasons in K/BB ratio and 4th and 6th best in xFIP.
Felix is obviously great, but he should only be given credit for being the best pitcher in the AL and not much more.I write things on the Internet.
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Re: Felix Hernandez
I though it was pretty obvious that Halladay was the best pitcher in Baseball right now and that's coming from a huge biased Josh Johnson fan lolSaints, LSU, Seminoles, Pelicans, Marlins, LightningComment
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Re: Felix Hernandez
I don't think WAR or xFIP are good ways to directly compare player's seasons between decades. Way too many variables. For "catch-all" metrics, at least FIP-, tERA, xFIP-, and ERA- attempt to normalize by league and park so you can try to make these types of comparisons.
Looking at the two pitchers and viewing their 3 best seasons at three adjusting/normalizing pitching metrics, there really isn't a difference between the two.
ERA- best seasons...
Pitcher A: 57, 58, 63
Pitcher B: 54, 60, 63
FIP- best seasons...
Pitcher A: 69, 73, 76
Pitcher B: 53, 66, 69
tERA best seasons...
Pitcher A: 2.69, 2.93, 3.01
Pitcher B: 3.32, 3.35, 3.42
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Re: Felix Hernandez
I don't think you could really win this argument from either side.
True Aces like Halladay and Felix Hernandez are Aces because they are replaceable amongst one another.
Either one can be counted on in Game 7 of the World Series. There's a good chance that in 10 games, you'd split it 50/50.
The one advantage Felix has is his youth. Then again, one advantage you can give Halladay is his experience.
I hate looking at things in that way, but you pretty much know that Halladay will continue to be this good until he just gets old and can't do it anymore. There's always the small chance that the young pitcher somehow loses a grip on his talent."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
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