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  • elTodd
    Little Big Puig
    • Feb 2004
    • 1333

    #16
    Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

    I went with Teixeira, and in my mind its not even close. Pujols is very good, as is Adrian. But I'm taking Marky T everyday of the week.

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    • Scott
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      • Jul 2002
      • 20032

      #17
      Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

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      • Chip Douglass
        Hall Of Fame
        • Dec 2005
        • 12256

        #18
        Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

        Originally posted by elTodd
        I went with Teixeira, and in my mind its not even close. Pujols is very good, as is Adrian. But I'm taking Marky T everyday of the week.
        Pujols career UZR: 63.3
        Teixeira career UZR: 38.8

        Pujols career TZ: 98
        Teixeria career TZ: 50

        Pujols +/-: 93
        Teixeira +/-: 46
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        • Dog
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          • Aug 2008
          • 11846

          #19
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          • TeixeiraFanatic
            Pro
            • Feb 2008
            • 925

            #20
            Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

            Originally posted by Chip Douglass
            Pujols career UZR: 63.3
            Teixeira career UZR: 38.8

            Pujols career TZ: 98
            Teixeria career TZ: 50

            Pujols +/-: 93
            Teixeira +/-: 46
            I really don't like those defensive sabermetrics as there is really nothing definitive about them. A lot of you are going to bash me but I don't care. I know a lot of you on here don't like the " I watch him, I know he's good. " but really how else are you supposed to? Go completely off these stats that you don't even know how to calculate most of them? Come on.

            Let's go back to when Omar Vizquel was in his prime. Did we have these advanced stats? I don't think so. Did that change the fact that we all knew Omar was a great fielder? No.

            I'm all for advancing baseball but I don't think I could use a stat that I don't understand.

            Anyway, I'll go with Teixeira
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            • CabreraMVP
              MVP
              • Sep 2010
              • 1437

              #21
              Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

              Casey Kotchman.
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              • SPTO
                binging
                • Feb 2003
                • 68046

                #22
                Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                Why would one game change your mind?
                As Enigma said Gonzalez has been known for this glove but I haven't seen much of him outside of highlights and the best way to judge someone is by the full context of a game. The first game of the Jays/Sox series he didn't impress me much but he literally ROBBED Corey Patterson at least 3 times yesterday which impressed the hell out of me because they were all difficult plays.
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                • Sandman42
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 15186

                  #23
                  Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                  Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                  Pujols career UZR: 63.3
                  Teixeira career UZR: 38.8

                  Pujols career TZ: 98
                  Teixeria career TZ: 50

                  Pujols +/-: 93
                  Teixeira +/-: 46
                  I'm all for defensive statistics, but I don't trust them to evaluate first baseman. UZR has given Tex negative numbers the past few years and I just don't see how that's possible. I'll trust it for the other positions, but I can't trust it for 1B when it tells me that Ryan Howard is a better fielder than Teixeira in some years.
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                  • 55
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 20857

                    #24
                    Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                    Originally posted by CabreraMVP
                    Casey Kotchman.
                    He's looked pretty bad all week actually. Dan Johnson is back at 1st.

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                    • roethlisberger4pres
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 105

                      #25
                      Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                      Glad to see this thread is alive and the poll is varied.

                      I know Howard isn't that great on defense, but he has been getting slightly better with his glove. I just needed another name to throw in there.

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                      • elTodd
                        Little Big Puig
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 1333

                        #26
                        Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                        Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                        Pujols career UZR: 63.3
                        Teixeira career UZR: 38.8

                        Pujols career TZ: 98
                        Teixeria career TZ: 50

                        Pujols +/-: 93
                        Teixeira +/-: 46
                        I don't know what any of those stats mean, and honestly I really don't care. I watch Albert play everyday, and I've seen enough of Teixeira to make a decent comparison between the two.

                        The "numbers" may not agree with me, but I'm still going with Tex.

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                        • 55
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 20857

                          #27
                          Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                          Originally posted by elTodd
                          I don't know what any of those stats mean...
                          They mean that Pujols is clearly a better defender than Teixeira is.

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                          • elTodd
                            Little Big Puig
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 1333

                            #28
                            Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                            Originally posted by 55
                            They mean that Pujols is clearly a better defender than Teixeira is.
                            According to who? The guy who created UZR?

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                            • snepp
                              We'll waste him too.
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 10007

                              #29
                              Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                              Don't like stats, that's fine.


                              Tango's "fan scouting reports" give Pujols a very slight edge over Teixeira in the field. Those are real people, watching real players, giving real grades. None of that "made up **** you can't calculate."

                              Most of the names given in this thread rank right up at the top of those rankings as well, Barton, Votto, Gonzalez, etc.
                              Last edited by snepp; 04-17-2011, 03:13 PM.
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                              • Chip Douglass
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 12256

                                #30
                                Re: Best defensive 1st baseman

                                Originally posted by Sandman42
                                I'm all for defensive statistics, but I don't trust them to evaluate first baseman. UZR has given Tex negative numbers the past few years and I just don't see how that's possible. I'll trust it for the other positions, but I can't trust it for 1B when it tells me that Ryan Howard is a better fielder than Teixeira in some years.
                                And UZR rated Derek Jeter as a significantly better fielder than Troy Tulowitzki in 2009. I'm aware of the faults, which is why I went with career numbers and threw in two other defensive sabermetric standbys.

                                Like you, I'm also suspicious of defensive metrics at 1B since they fail to capture the most important function of that position (handling throws), but the larger point here is that there's nothing concrete (or even subjective) to suggest that Teixeira is far better than Pujols at fielding; the statistics actually say the exact opposite.

                                I'm willing to grant you the benefit of the doubt that Pujols likely isn't that much better at fielding than Teixeira, but I felt statistical context was needed.

                                Originally posted by TeixeiraFanatic
                                I really don't like those defensive sabermetrics as there is really nothing definitive about them. A lot of you are going to bash me but I don't care. I know a lot of you on here don't like the " I watch him, I know he's good. " but really how else are you supposed to? Go completely off these stats that you don't even know how to calculate most of them? Come on.

                                Let's go back to when Omar Vizquel was in his prime. Did we have these advanced stats? I don't think so. Did that change the fact that we all knew Omar was a great fielder? No.

                                I'm all for advancing baseball but I don't think I could use a stat that I don't understand.

                                Anyway, I'll go with Teixeira
                                There's nothing wrong with picking Teixeira or with a "wisdom of the crowds" eye test.

                                I'm not trying to make the case that Pujols is a far better glove than Teixeira. I'm simply stating that at the very least, there's nothing to suggest that Teixeira is a far better defender than Pujols, even with the eye test.

                                And if you want clarification on defensive sabermetrics, head over to Fangraphs and check out their glossary.
                                Last edited by Chip Douglass; 04-17-2011, 03:30 PM.
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