Was Liriano's No-No the Worst Ever?

[JBH3]

• Two Ks.
• 6 Walks.
• Entering the game w/a 9+ ERA.
• A missed call at first.
• A beyond struggling opposing offense.

Regardless of the thread's title, this isn't meant to stir up controversy.

I seriously want to know if there are any no-hit games with even less favorable circumstances.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Was Liriano's No-No the Worst Ever?

• Two Ks.
• 6 Walks.
• Entering the game w/a 9+ ERA.
• A missed call at first.
• A beyond struggling opposing offense.

Regardless of the thread's title, this isn't meant to stir up controversy.

I seriously want to know if there are any no-hit games with even less favorable circumstances.

Yes.

Andy Hawkins threw a no hitter and lost.

[ImTellinTim]

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There was just discussion about this actually. I think snepp posted a link to an article where they broke down the 10 "worst" no-hitters in history.

It wasn't pretty, but it certainly wasn't even close to the worst ever. I'd argue that Edwin Jackson's trumps Liriano's since he had 8 walks and had to throw something like 140+ pitches. There have been several against what were effectively AAA teams with September callups (e.g. the last Twins no-hitter by Eric Milton).

While Liriano's wasn't anything spectacular, at least he faced a full major-league lineup with some threats (Quentin, Konerko, Dunn). As for the call at first, at least it was on a fielder's choice situation and didn't take away a hit. So I guess the White Sox could have had another batter, but they had 33 other opportunities to get a hit and didn't.

And going the other way, I'd say it was pretty impressive that he kept going out there getting outs knowing that his offense was doing absolutely nothing with the likes of Rene Tosoni and Drew Butera taking cuts.

[SPTO]

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I can think of at least two No-Hitters that were less impressive

Juan Nieves in '87 and AJ Burnett in I believe '03

[rsox]

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I don't know that it was the worst no-hitter ever but it does show that no-hitters are basically mostly luck.

Liriano is a better pitcher than his numbers show and aside from the six walks this was the outing the Twins have waited for all season from him.

[Sportsforever]

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I can think of at least two No-Hitters that were less impressive

Juan Nieves in '87 and AJ Burnett in I believe '03

I watched the Burnett one (I think it was 2001) and he walked 9 hitters...I think it was in San Diego against the Pads.

[Dog]

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Edwin Jackson last year

[daflyboys]

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Any no hitter is great. Consider all that can happen.

What's worse is calling it a "no-no"!

[Chaos81]

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What's worse is calling it a "no-no"!

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[Blzer]

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I think no-hitters are great, but are terribly overrated. Well, perfect games are overrated as well in the sense that a pitcher is given too much credit and value for their single game performance, but a perfect game is one hundred times more difficult to achieve than a no-hitter IMO.

I've made posts on this in the past so I can dig them up for my argument, but the basis of it is that a no-hitter means that both the pitcher and his defense can breathe with some wiggle room if they decide to miss with their opportunities sometimes (in other words, A.J. Burnett walked nine players because he chose to be fine and miss with pitches rather than come over the plate and give up any hits). Perfect game means no walks and no errors, including catcher interference. Once one of those occur, feel free to do whatever you want to make sure they don't get a hit (of course they still find themselves most of the time, which is why the no-hitter is still difficult).

At the end of the day, if you walk 4+ batters as a result of trying to achieve your no-hitter, it seems rather unachieving in the end. I would rather throw a one-hitter with one or no walks than a no-hitter. I know most people won't agree because they'd want to be in the books, but if the books matter that much then I'm really not sure what baseball has become. The achievement can mean so little when you have to pay such a high cost.

And if there was a blown call at first, that makes Liriano's all worse. As I said once in the thread on Galarraga's blown perfect game due to the bad call... I'd rather see that than someone getting in the books on a blown call where a safe player is called out.

[daflyboys]

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Sorry. I hate terms like "no no", "it go bye bye" and "can do".

[snepp]

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And if there was a blown call at first, that makes Liriano's all worse. As I said once in the thread on Galarraga's blown perfect game due to the bad call... I'd rather see that than someone getting in the books on a blown call where a safe player is called out.

The blown call was on a fielder's choice, not a hit.

[Sportsforever]

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The blown call was on a fielder's choice, not a hit.

Ya, I don't know why people keep bringing this up...it really had nothing to do with the no-no imo.

[Chaos81]

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Sorry. I hate terms like "no no", "it go bye bye" and "can do".

You don't know the smiley code for do you?

[daflyboys]

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You don't know the smiley code for do you?

I guess not. No. No.