2011 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

[OSUFan_88]

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He's overrated because of his 1 great half.

Not really.

His away stats this year show that he is a great pitcher, even with the velocity drop.

BTW, his velocity drop seems to have been overblown as recently it has been coming back.

Ah well, we'll see. If it works out, a Ubaldo-Masterson 1-2 is pretty darn good.

[BatsareBugs]

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I don't see how Ubaldo is overrated. Humidor Coors is still a hitter's park. He was improving every season until this year. Sure he's not a consistent sub.-3 ERA hurler with a high K/9 rate consistently in the Cy Young discussion, but he's only really had 3 whole seasons (4 including this one) under his belt.

[av7]

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It's not Ubaldo's personality that's the issue. It's the sudden loss in velocity, as CabreraMVP pointed out. There's no way I can't prove this, but I think it's a situation where either the Rockies pitching coach or someone else on that team's coaching staff talked Ubaldo Jimenez into tweaking his mechanics/delivery trying to fix something that wasn't even broken in the first place, and doing that made Ubaldo regress a bit. Now his stuff is still really good, but his fastball is not electric anymore.


Kruza

They tweaked his mechanics last year at the ASB. They tried correcting it in camp this year and then again earlier in the season. Apodaca has always said he suggests ideas and never demanding them to be done so who knows

[Kruza]

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Interesting news there, av7. And that's around the time Ubaldo Jimenez's performance began tailing off a bit too. It looked to me like Jimenez no longer finishes his follow-through motion since midway through the 2010 season which I think affected his velocity. Hopefully Jimenez can get back to fully repeating the delivery he once displayed during the early part of 2010. But if he still hasn't done so by now which has been over 12 months, then one has to be concerned if he'll ever be able to do it.

Anyway, I understand that coaches oftentimes want to follow guidelines to have a pitcher pitch with an "ideal" delivery. But there are pitchers with unique delivery styles that just shouldn't be tinkered with since they have proven that they're capable of repeating that delivery no matter how awkward it may look. I mean, the Giants didn't tinker with Tim Lincecum. Nor have the Angels with Jered Weaver. Man, I just don't know why the Rockies would want to tweak with Ubaldo's mechanics to begin with. Maybe he had (or still have) issues holding baserunners or something. I don't know.

Kruza

[DJ]

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Interesting news there, av7. And that's around the time Ubaldo Jimenez's performance began tailing off a bit too. It looked to me like Jimenez no longer finishes his follow-through motion since midway through the 2010 season which I think affected his velocity. Hopefully Jimenez can get back to fully repeating the delivery he once displayed during the early part of 2010. But if he still hasn't done so by now which has been over 12 months, then one has to be concerned if he'll ever be able to do it.

Anyway, I understand that coaches oftentimes want to follow guidelines to have a pitcher pitch with an "ideal" delivery. But there are pitchers with unique delivery styles that just shouldn't be tinkered with since they have proven that they're capable of repeating that delivery no matter how awkward it may look. I mean, the Giants didn't tinker with Tim Lincecum. Nor have the Angels with Jered Weaver. Man, I just don't know why the Rockies would want to tweak with Ubaldo's mechanics to begin with. Maybe he had (or still have) issues holding baserunners or something. I don't know.

Kruza

Bob Apodaca is horrible, that's why. I honestly don't know why he's still around. Sad thing is, I can't rid of this guy. I am a Mets fan and was so happy when they finally cut him loose, but since I also like the Rockies (live in CO), I have to still deal with him.

[av7]

Interesting news there, av7. And that's around the time Ubaldo Jimenez's performance began tailing off a bit too. It looked to me like Jimenez no longer finishes his follow-through motion since midway through the 2010 season which I think affected his velocity. Hopefully Jimenez can get back to fully repeating the delivery he once displayed during the early part of 2010. But if he still hasn't done so by now which has been over 12 months, then one has to be concerned if he'll ever be able to do it.

Anyway, I understand that coaches oftentimes want to follow guidelines to have a pitcher pitch with an "ideal" delivery. But there are pitchers with unique delivery styles that just shouldn't be tinkered with since they have proven that they're capable of repeating that delivery no matter how awkward it may look. I mean, the Giants didn't tinker with Tim Lincecum. Nor have the Angels with Jered Weaver. Man, I just don't know why the Rockies would want to tweak with Ubaldo's mechanics to begin with. Maybe he had (or still have) issues holding baserunners or something. I don't know.

Kruza

It comes down to him thinking too much, imo. He has really consistent days and other days he's all over the map with his darts. He had made improvement from his early starts to now so it's not out of the question for him to be back in the swing of things.

For the Rockies, they atleast recognized they've missed on their pitching prospects as of late

[Polo Bandit]

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Unbelievable how much tearing down my 'Stros are doing. A quick look at the 25 man roster, and I really think we're trying to be the Indians from "Major league"

Heard on sports radio...."the Astros are the best double A team in the majors."

Yeah. I know the trade makes sense from a baseball point, but man they're really gonna kill what little fan base they had left for this season. I've stuck with the Astros through a lot, but it's really hard to root for this team now.

[rsox]

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Yeah. I know the trade makes sense from a baseball point, but man they're really gonna kill what little fan base they had left for this season. I've stuck with the Astros through a lot, but it's really hard to root for this team now.

Ed Wade has been stuck between the proverbial rock-and-a-hard place having to essentially deal with two owners until the team offically changes hands.
Trading away Hunter Pence and Michael Bourn helped to re-stock an almost empty minor league system, if the could have gotten the Yankees (or anyone else) to take the remaing salary of Wandy Rodriguez and people would probably be praising the Astros moves (not that anyone is really saying anything bad).

I would not be surprised if Wade and/or Brad Mills are both fired after the season. I don't think anyone expected the Astros to really compete but i don't think anyone expected them to be as bad as they are either. How does a team that plays in such a hitter Home Run friendly park have fewer team HR's than the Mariners?.
Next year is probably a wash as well. They have one more year before they are free of Carlos Lee's contract, and one more year of Brett Myers. Some of the prospects acquired should start to come into play after next season but it has been a long time since the Astros have been this bad. The fan base is speaking. The Astros average less than 27,000 fans per game and are currently on pace for their lowest attendance since 1998.

[DJ]

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Ed Wade has been stuck between the proverbial rock-and-a-hard place having to essentially deal with two owners until the team offically changes hands.
Trading away Hunter Pence and Michael Bourn helped to re-stock an almost empty minor league system, if the could have gotten the Yankees (or anyone else) to take the remaing salary of Wandy Rodriguez and people would probably be praising the Astros moves (not that anyone is really saying anything bad).

I would not be surprised if Wade and/or Brad Mills are both fired after the season. I don't think anyone expected the Astros to really compete but i don't think anyone expected them to be as bad as they are either. How does a team that plays in such a hitter Home Run friendly park have fewer team HR's than the Mariners?.
Next year is probably a wash as well. They have one more year before they are free of Carlos Lee's contract, and one more year of Brett Myers. Some of the prospects acquired should start to come into play after next season but it has been a long time since the Astros have been this bad. The fan base is speaking. The Astros average less than 27,000 fans per game and are currently on pace for their lowest attendance since 1998.

Yeah, the fact that the current regime wanted to severely cut payroll didn't help much. It would've been nice, moving forward, if the Astros could've built around Pence and Bourn, but they were really the only pieces they could use to acquire more talent. The Lee and Myers contracts are huge burdens, but will be off the books soon.

I understand the frustration if you are an Astros fan. Heck, I don't like what's going on in NY with the Mets, but I have to understand that certain things are out of my control. Hopefully, things get better moving forward.

[ty5oke]

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The Mariners will receive right-hander Chance Ruffin from the Tigers as the final piece of the Doug Fister trade, reports Jason A. Churchill of Prospect Insider (Twitter link). Since Ruffin was selected in the 2010 draft, he cannot officially be part of any trade until August 15 and thus will be considered just as a player to be named later until that date. This finalizes Seattle's package for Fister and David Pauley as Ruffin, Charlie Furbush, Casper Wells and Francisco Martinez.

Was really hoping for Smyly.

[Polo Bandit]

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Ed Wade has been stuck between the proverbial rock-and-a-hard place having to essentially deal with two owners until the team offically changes hands.
Trading away Hunter Pence and Michael Bourn helped to re-stock an almost empty minor league system, if the could have gotten the Yankees (or anyone else) to take the remaing salary of Wandy Rodriguez and people would probably be praising the Astros moves (not that anyone is really saying anything bad).

I would not be surprised if Wade and/or Brad Mills are both fired after the season. I don't think anyone expected the Astros to really compete but i don't think anyone expected them to be as bad as they are either. How does a team that plays in such a hitter Home Run friendly park have fewer team HR's than the Mariners?.
Next year is probably a wash as well. They have one more year before they are free of Carlos Lee's contract, and one more year of Brett Myers. Some of the prospects acquired should start to come into play after next season but it has been a long time since the Astros have been this bad. The fan base is speaking. The Astros average less than 27,000 fans per game and are currently on pace for their lowest attendance since 1998.

Wade is probably gone after this season. Mills may stick around another year, but some people seem to think he is just keeping the spot warm for Craig Biggio.

[l3ulvl]

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Was really hoping for Smyly.

Whew, even though Ruffin is supposedly a future closer, I didn't want to lose Smyly.

[rsox]

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Wade is probably gone after this season. Mills may stick around another year, but some people seem to think he is just keeping the spot warm for Craig Biggio.

That wouldn't surprise me. Neither would Jeff Bagwell being named the first member of his coaching staff.

[ty5oke]

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Whew, even though Ruffin is supposedly a future closer, I didn't want to lose Smyly.

Apparently Ruffin isn't for sure. So Smyly back in the running..