7/25 - 7/31 Game Discussion Thread

[Fiddy]

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I don't buy any of that at all. That was an inexcusable call. The fact that a major league ump can miss that call, when it is that obvious, is unbelievable. That wasn't a bang bang play at first or something, it was call that should have been routine. The tag was actually applied twice on the play. Hands down one the worst calls I have ever seen, and there is no justification for blowing it.

I find it inexcusable for a major league catcher to make an ole sweep tag instead of a hard tag down on the runner like you are taught when your 10 years old.

[Bellsprout]

Re: 7/25 - 7/31 Game Discussion Thread

5 errors and a run in Santana's no hitter? That shouldn't count. I don't know why, but that shouldn't count.

[mgoblue678]

Re: 7/25 - 7/31 Game Discussion Thread

I find it inexcusable for a major league catcher to make an ole sweep tag instead of a hard tag down on the runner like you are taught when your 10 years old.

The tag was clearly made, end of story. People can argue about the duration of it all they want, but it was still made and the ump should have been in a position to see it. I guess from now on catchers should have to think about the possibility of an ump being completely incompetent, and hold the tag for 10 seconds just to be sure they see it. The excuses being made for this call are just as unbelievable as the call itself.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 7/25 - 7/31 Game Discussion Thread

Looks pretty clear to me, not sure how anybody could argue otherwise. There is no rule saying you have to apply the tag for 5 seconds or something.

The picture is still too fuzzy to really tell if he actually got him or not, not to mention you can't tell where the Lugo's leg is compared to the glove as far as depth goes. Just because they overlap doesn't mean they're touching. From all the angles of the replays, there didn't appear to be any contact. He just swung the glove through. Nothing ever disturbed his swipe or anything.

I think the people saying it might be the worst call of all-time is overreacting big time. I can completely understand the ump's point of view.

[mgoblue678]

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The picture is still too fuzzy to really tell if he actually got him or not, not to mention you can't tell where the Lugo's leg is compared to the glove as far as depth goes. Just because they overlap doesn't mean they're touching. From all the angles of the replays, there didn't appear to be any contact. He just swung the glove through. Nothing ever disturbed his swipe or anything.

I think the people saying it might be the worst call of all-time is overreacting big time. I can completely understand the ump's point of view.

Um, do you not see the part of the photo where the tip of the glove is bending inward. That clearly indicates contact being made with the runners leg. Not sure what else you need to see to be convinced.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 7/25 - 7/31 Game Discussion Thread

Um, do you not see the part of the photo where the tip of the glove is bending inward. That clearly indicates contact being made with the runners leg. Not sure what else you need to see to be convinced.

I don't mean to be rude but seriously, how can you tell with how fuzzy of a picture that is if anything is bent? There's absolutely no depth perception in that picture.

It looks like he may have brushed Lugo's pantleg based on this picture, and not only is that not enough to bend the guy's glove, but there's no way that you can tell if it's bent or not from that photo unless you're just trying to see what you want to see.

Edit: And I think everyone can agree that if he did make the tag (I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying there hasn't been any real good evidence and it certainly isn't blatantly obvious), he barely made the tag, so again, I don't see how people can say this is hands down the worst call of all-time when the guy may have just barely brushed him on his way by. It was a horrific tag attempt by the catcher.

[mgoblue678]

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I don't mean to be rude but seriously, how can you tell with how fuzzy of a picture that is if anything is bent? There's absolutely no depth perception in that picture.

It looks like he may have brushed Lugo's pantleg based on this picture, and not only is that not enough to bend the guy's glove, but there's no way that you can tell if it's bent or not from that photo unless you're just trying to see what you want to see.

Edit: And I think everyone can agree that if he did make the tag (I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying there hasn't been any real good evidence and it certainly isn't blatantly obvious), he barely made the tag, so again, I don't see how people can say this is hands down the worst call of all-time when the guy may have just barely brushed him on his way by. It was a horrific tag attempt by the catcher.

You can clearly see the glove bent, that has nothing to do with anybody seeing what they want to see. Once again I don't know what to tell you if you can't see it, because it is clearly there. The tip of the glove would only bend like that if contact was made.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 7/25 - 7/31 Game Discussion Thread

You can clearly see the glove bent, that has nothing to do with anybody seeing what they want to see. Once again I don't know what to tell you if you can't see it, because it is clearly there. The tip of the glove would only bend like that if contact was made.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then because I honestly don't know how you can say that the glove is clearly bent. Maybe if the picture wasn't so fuzzy one would be able to tell, but from that picture, it's pretty much impossible.

[Chrisksaint]

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[KSUowls]

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I'm a Braves fan, obviously, and this was the worst call I've ever seen in any baseball game ever. The call by Jim Joyce last year was bad and should have been called, but at least it was bang/bang.

Throws don't beat runners by that much for the runner to still be safe without something incredible happening. What's more, is that the swipe on the leg is only the first tag that was applied. Their bodies collided a bit and a 2nd tag was applied around his elbow or chest.

The catcher maybe could have done more on his end, but he shouldn't have to. The ball beat the runner by a lot, a tag was applied several feet in front of home plate on his leg, and a second tag was applied higher up. The only thing you can say for the umpire is that the screen shot is a little fuzzy so you can't tell 100% about the tag on the leg. If the tag was close enough that a picture's pixelation can't conclusively state that a tag was or was not made (though to me it does show he was tagged on the initial swipe) then how can an umpire say that a tag was not made when he sees it real time and the ball beats the runner by that much?

He missed the call there is no question about that. He should have just owned up to it like Jim Joyce did last year and be done with it. It's another example of why baseball needs replay for plays like this.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: 7/25 - 7/31 Game Discussion Thread

I'm a Braves fan, obviously, and this was the worst call I've ever seen in any baseball game ever. The call by Jim Joyce last year was bad and should have been called, but at least it was bang/bang.

Throws don't beat runners by that much for the runner to still be safe without something incredible happening. What's more, is that the swipe on the leg is only the first tag that was applied. Their bodies collided a bit and a 2nd tag was applied around his elbow or chest.

The catcher maybe could have done more on his end, but he shouldn't have to. The ball beat the runner by a lot, a tag was applied several feet in front of home plate on his leg, and a second tag was applied higher up. The only thing you can say for the umpire is that the screen shot is a little fuzzy so you can't tell 100% about the tag on the leg. If the tag was close enough that a picture's pixelation can't conclusively state that a tag was or was not made (though to me it does show he was tagged on the initial swipe) then how can an umpire say that a tag was not made when he sees it real time and the ball beats the runner by that much?

He missed the call there is no question about that. He should have just owned up to it like Jim Joyce did last year and be done with it. It's another example of why baseball needs replay for plays like this.

It's starting to get hard to find the video online because MLB is shutting down every video due to copyright now, but after watching the one on ESPN, I don't see where the catcher's glove even came close to touching anything other than his leg. As a matter of fact, I just watched it a little closer and there really was no point that he came anywhere near Lugo's arm or chest or anything. It was either the shin or nothing.

[Fiddy]

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The tag was clearly made, end of story.

I didn't say it wasn't. He was out!!

But McKenry went against what you are taught at 10 years old and it cost them a game. I hope they finish 1 game out bc of this.

All he had to do was put down a hard tag on the runner and not sweep ole look at me tag!!

If he used baseball basics there the runner would have been called out and this wouldn't even be an issue. End of story!!

[bcruise]

Re: 7/25 - 7/31 Game Discussion Thread

It's starting to get hard to find the video online because MLB is shutting down every video due to copyright now, but after watching the one on ESPN, I don't see where the catcher's glove even came close to touching anything other than his leg. As a matter of fact, I just watched it a little closer and there really was no point that he came anywhere near Lugo's arm or chest or anything. It was either the shin or nothing.

A bit late to the party here, but there's a near 3-minute video showing several angles of the play right on MLB.com's site. It's on the "Bucs File Complaint" story on the front page of MLB.com - can't link it directly from here.

[mjb2124]

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But McKenry went against what you are taught at 10 years old and it cost them a game.

He did a sweep tag because Daniel McCutchen (P) was screaming for him to throw to 1B since Proctor fell and a double play ended the inning. Still, he had a lot of time to throw to 1B and didn't need to do a sweep tag to get the out at the plate.

EDIT: With that said, if he just blocks the plate as you said and forcefully put a tag down, we aren't having this discussion.

[mjb2124]

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You can clearly see the glove bent, that has nothing to do with anybody seeing what they want to see. Once again I don't know what to tell you if you can't see it, because it is clearly there. The tip of the glove would only bend like that if contact was made.

Agreed. I was 90% sure he was out in real time and 100% sure once I saw the slow motion and still images.