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  • SportsorDeath
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2870

    #16
    Re: The A\'s are terrible

    That is pure horses%$&. "The Billy Beane style" has nothing to do with it. That style can succeed just fine in the postseason. The bottom line is that the players simply didn't execute when they needed to. There were so many, and I mean so many, instances in this series where one measly little thing could have changed the outcome dramatically.

    In game 3, the now infamous obstruction error gave Boston their only run until Trot Nixon ended the game with his 2 run walkoff job. Had Ramon Hernandez just thrown the damn ball to Chavez when he signaled for it, the game never would went to extra innings.

    Also, game 3 : Eric Byrnes touches home plate, there is also the game, and no extra innings.

    Game 4 : Eric Byrnes hits a ball right down the right field line that just missed hugging the inside of the foul pole in the corner by maybe a foot. It goes the other way, and we don't see a game 5 tonight.

    Of course, all the what if's in the world don't mean a thing. Baseball is a game of inches just like they say, and the A's got some bad bounces. It is hard to say this or that, because maybe that Hernandez bunt in game 1 could have not bounced off of home plate, and Boston would have won later. You just never know.

    Point is, the "Beane style" had nothing to do with the A's losing this series. Anyone who thinks so doesn't really know baseball very well.

    Fundamentals, or as SportsmanTO says, "foundamentals", played a pretty big role. As was the case last year, it was the stupid mental mistakes that put the A's in some bad spots.

    Considering the financial flexibilty Beane has, or the lack thereof, he really has no choice but to assemble a team the way he does. That is pretty much the only way the A's are going to compete every year.

    In case nobody else noticed, the A's actually DID play a lot more small ball this postseason compared to the last 3 playoff years. I saw them sacrifice, attempt some steals, a couple hit and runs, and of course Ramon Hernandez's bunt in game 1 for the win. That is vastly different from what they have done in the recent past.

    I am still pretty pissed off about the outcome of the series, but the more I think about it, I realize that the A's played a much better overall series this year than any of the other 3 they lost. Their pitching (starting and relief) for the most part was excellent. This team was their least talented of the playoff teams the last few years, with the possible exception of 2000, imo. I honestly kept thinking that they were going to barely miss making the playoffs this year, until the Mariners waved their annual white flag down the stretch. Losing Mulder was a big blow, but then Lilly stepped up and was lights out.

    Their big problem all year was the lack of punch in the lineup. It came back to haunt them in this playoff series, as they hit just one home run. Now, it looks to get even worse with Tejada almost surely leaving this offseason. Beane had better make a trade or go find another diamond in the rough.

    Congrats, Boston fans. You guys deserved to win. Now please go kick the Yankees' *** in 4.

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    • Jistic
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 16405

      #17
      Re: The A\'s are terrible

      Being that I'm just an impartial observer, I give Oakland all the credit in the world. All this team does is lose its best players and still make it to the playoffs every year. 5 game series are tricky and the margin of winning and losing are slim. If Oakland had a little more payroll, I'm sure they would've won some series if not the whole thing.
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      • Jistic
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2003
        • 16405

        #18
        Re: The A\'s are terrible

        Being that I'm just an impartial observer, I give Oakland all the credit in the world. All this team does is lose its best players and still make it to the playoffs every year. 5 game series are tricky and the margin of winning and losing are slim. If Oakland had a little more payroll, I'm sure they would've won some series if not the whole thing.
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        • Jistic
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 16405

          #19
          Re: The A\'s are terrible

          Being that I'm just an impartial observer, I give Oakland all the credit in the world. All this team does is lose its best players and still make it to the playoffs every year. 5 game series are tricky and the margin of winning and losing are slim. If Oakland had a little more payroll, I'm sure they would've won some series if not the whole thing.
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          • AI_Franchise03
            MVP
            • Dec 2002
            • 2168

            #20
            Re: The A\'s are terrible

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            Fundamentals, or as SportsmanTO says, "foundamentals",..

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            Must we put the person on the spot if he spelled it wrong? You clearly understood what he meant, so spell it right, and don't ridicule him. I'm sure it was a typo on his part, and even if it wasn't, you still know who or what he is talking about.

            And about the Billy Beane style of baseball, I don't agree with it. If it worked, you would have advanced farther into the playoffs by now. You DO need to bunt, steal bases, and hit &amp; run in playoffs. Not just get on base. Playoff is much different from the regular season, and playing small-ball, yes that means "giving up your AB's", helps you score those runners, and win games. There are a lot of close games in the postseason, and these little things help you win...but I guess I don't know much about baseball because I disagree.
            " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
            - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

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            • AI_Franchise03
              MVP
              • Dec 2002
              • 2168

              #21
              Re: The A\'s are terrible

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              Fundamentals, or as SportsmanTO says, "foundamentals",..

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Must we put the person on the spot if he spelled it wrong? You clearly understood what he meant, so spell it right, and don't ridicule him. I'm sure it was a typo on his part, and even if it wasn't, you still know who or what he is talking about.

              And about the Billy Beane style of baseball, I don't agree with it. If it worked, you would have advanced farther into the playoffs by now. You DO need to bunt, steal bases, and hit &amp; run in playoffs. Not just get on base. Playoff is much different from the regular season, and playing small-ball, yes that means "giving up your AB's", helps you score those runners, and win games. There are a lot of close games in the postseason, and these little things help you win...but I guess I don't know much about baseball because I disagree.
              " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
              - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

              The World Is At Your Feet.

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              • AI_Franchise03
                MVP
                • Dec 2002
                • 2168

                #22
                Re: The A\'s are terrible

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                Fundamentals, or as SportsmanTO says, "foundamentals",..

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Must we put the person on the spot if he spelled it wrong? You clearly understood what he meant, so spell it right, and don't ridicule him. I'm sure it was a typo on his part, and even if it wasn't, you still know who or what he is talking about.

                And about the Billy Beane style of baseball, I don't agree with it. If it worked, you would have advanced farther into the playoffs by now. You DO need to bunt, steal bases, and hit &amp; run in playoffs. Not just get on base. Playoff is much different from the regular season, and playing small-ball, yes that means "giving up your AB's", helps you score those runners, and win games. There are a lot of close games in the postseason, and these little things help you win...but I guess I don't know much about baseball because I disagree.
                " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
                - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

                The World Is At Your Feet.

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                • CMH
                  Making you famous
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 26203

                  #23
                  Re: The A\'s are terrible

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                  AI_Franchise03 said:
                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  Fundamentals, or as SportsmanTO says, "foundamentals",..

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  Must we put the person on the spot if he spelled it wrong? You clearly understood what he meant, so spell it right, and don't ridicule him. I'm sure it was a typo on his part, and even if it wasn't, you still know who or what he is talking about.

                  And about the Billy Beane style of baseball, I don't agree with it. If it worked, you would have advanced farther into the playoffs by now. You DO need to bunt, steal bases, and hit &amp; run in playoffs. Not just get on base. Playoff is much different from the regular season, and playing small-ball, yes that means "giving up your AB's", helps you score those runners, and win games. There are a lot of close games in the postseason, and these little things help you win...but I guess I don't know much about baseball because I disagree.

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                  sir, every team that has won the World Series in the past decade has played this so called "Billy Beane" style of play.

                  Pitching, walks, and aggressive, but smart baserunning wins games and championships.

                  The A's just lack the ability to close the deal. When your two best hitters are not hitting, things are not gonna go your way.

                  The Red Sox lost the first two games because Manny and Ortiz just didn't hit. Ortiz steps up in Game 4. Boston wins. Manny hits a three run bomb in Game 5. Boston wins. It's not coincidental.
                  "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                  "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                  • CMH
                    Making you famous
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 26203

                    #24
                    Re: The A\'s are terrible

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    AI_Franchise03 said:
                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    Fundamentals, or as SportsmanTO says, "foundamentals",..

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Must we put the person on the spot if he spelled it wrong? You clearly understood what he meant, so spell it right, and don't ridicule him. I'm sure it was a typo on his part, and even if it wasn't, you still know who or what he is talking about.

                    And about the Billy Beane style of baseball, I don't agree with it. If it worked, you would have advanced farther into the playoffs by now. You DO need to bunt, steal bases, and hit &amp; run in playoffs. Not just get on base. Playoff is much different from the regular season, and playing small-ball, yes that means "giving up your AB's", helps you score those runners, and win games. There are a lot of close games in the postseason, and these little things help you win...but I guess I don't know much about baseball because I disagree.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    sir, every team that has won the World Series in the past decade has played this so called "Billy Beane" style of play.

                    Pitching, walks, and aggressive, but smart baserunning wins games and championships.

                    The A's just lack the ability to close the deal. When your two best hitters are not hitting, things are not gonna go your way.

                    The Red Sox lost the first two games because Manny and Ortiz just didn't hit. Ortiz steps up in Game 4. Boston wins. Manny hits a three run bomb in Game 5. Boston wins. It's not coincidental.
                    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #25
                      Re: The A\'s are terrible

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                      AI_Franchise03 said:
                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Fundamentals, or as SportsmanTO says, "foundamentals",..

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Must we put the person on the spot if he spelled it wrong? You clearly understood what he meant, so spell it right, and don't ridicule him. I'm sure it was a typo on his part, and even if it wasn't, you still know who or what he is talking about.

                      And about the Billy Beane style of baseball, I don't agree with it. If it worked, you would have advanced farther into the playoffs by now. You DO need to bunt, steal bases, and hit &amp; run in playoffs. Not just get on base. Playoff is much different from the regular season, and playing small-ball, yes that means "giving up your AB's", helps you score those runners, and win games. There are a lot of close games in the postseason, and these little things help you win...but I guess I don't know much about baseball because I disagree.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      sir, every team that has won the World Series in the past decade has played this so called "Billy Beane" style of play.

                      Pitching, walks, and aggressive, but smart baserunning wins games and championships.

                      The A's just lack the ability to close the deal. When your two best hitters are not hitting, things are not gonna go your way.

                      The Red Sox lost the first two games because Manny and Ortiz just didn't hit. Ortiz steps up in Game 4. Boston wins. Manny hits a three run bomb in Game 5. Boston wins. It's not coincidental.
                      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                      • dce1228
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 1016

                        #26
                        Re: The A\'s are terrible

                        I thought it was interesting that Macha (well, Beane) had Hernandez bunt in the bottom of the 9th of the 5th game. I think it was the 3rd A's sac bunt of the entire season. The A's abandoned their reknowned 'game plan', so it's more than that at work.

                        In truth, I think the high OBP philosophy is great for the regular season. It's playing the numbers. But in a short series the philosophy definitely has holes. The funny thing about the A's is they don't practice what they preach. Other than Hatteberg, with maybe Ellis and Hernandez, what A's go up there and work the count? Tejada, their best player, is a complete hack at times. T-Long, Singleton-- hacks. It's in the A's minor league system that the Beane doctrine is really at work.

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                        • dce1228
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1016

                          #27
                          Re: The A\'s are terrible

                          I thought it was interesting that Macha (well, Beane) had Hernandez bunt in the bottom of the 9th of the 5th game. I think it was the 3rd A's sac bunt of the entire season. The A's abandoned their reknowned 'game plan', so it's more than that at work.

                          In truth, I think the high OBP philosophy is great for the regular season. It's playing the numbers. But in a short series the philosophy definitely has holes. The funny thing about the A's is they don't practice what they preach. Other than Hatteberg, with maybe Ellis and Hernandez, what A's go up there and work the count? Tejada, their best player, is a complete hack at times. T-Long, Singleton-- hacks. It's in the A's minor league system that the Beane doctrine is really at work.

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                          • dce1228
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1016

                            #28
                            Re: The A\'s are terrible

                            I thought it was interesting that Macha (well, Beane) had Hernandez bunt in the bottom of the 9th of the 5th game. I think it was the 3rd A's sac bunt of the entire season. The A's abandoned their reknowned 'game plan', so it's more than that at work.

                            In truth, I think the high OBP philosophy is great for the regular season. It's playing the numbers. But in a short series the philosophy definitely has holes. The funny thing about the A's is they don't practice what they preach. Other than Hatteberg, with maybe Ellis and Hernandez, what A's go up there and work the count? Tejada, their best player, is a complete hack at times. T-Long, Singleton-- hacks. It's in the A's minor league system that the Beane doctrine is really at work.

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                            • CMH
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                              • Oct 2002
                              • 26203

                              #29
                              Re: The A\'s are terrible

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                              dce1228 said:
                              The funny thing about the A's is they don't practice what they preach. Other than Hatteberg, with maybe Ellis and Hernandez, what A's go up there and work the count? Tejada, their best player, is a complete hack at times. T-Long, Singleton-- hacks. It's in the A's minor league system that the Beane doctrine is really at work.


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                              Well, remember those guys were NOT brought over by Beane. Beane's real players haven't come around yet. They are still in the minors.

                              I think people forget that Beane's philosophy isn't even in full effect. You can only credit the moves he's made. Signing Hatteberg - a man that takes pitches (only problem is that he can't run).

                              Tejada is gone for a reason. beane doesn't want him. beane wants his real project. I dont know his name...forgot it right now. But that ss of the future is a Beane player.

                              Chavez is also NOT a Beane player, but Beane sees somethin in Chavez. Problem is Chavez doesn't see it in himself.

                              The media has hyped up this beane philosophy, but the media is also very stupid. The beane philosophy is still waiting for it's call-up.

                              edit: sorry, didn't read your last line. Guess I just repeated what you said, lol.
                              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                              "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                              • CMH
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                                • Oct 2002
                                • 26203

                                #30
                                Re: The A\'s are terrible

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                                dce1228 said:
                                The funny thing about the A's is they don't practice what they preach. Other than Hatteberg, with maybe Ellis and Hernandez, what A's go up there and work the count? Tejada, their best player, is a complete hack at times. T-Long, Singleton-- hacks. It's in the A's minor league system that the Beane doctrine is really at work.


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                                Well, remember those guys were NOT brought over by Beane. Beane's real players haven't come around yet. They are still in the minors.

                                I think people forget that Beane's philosophy isn't even in full effect. You can only credit the moves he's made. Signing Hatteberg - a man that takes pitches (only problem is that he can't run).

                                Tejada is gone for a reason. beane doesn't want him. beane wants his real project. I dont know his name...forgot it right now. But that ss of the future is a Beane player.

                                Chavez is also NOT a Beane player, but Beane sees somethin in Chavez. Problem is Chavez doesn't see it in himself.

                                The media has hyped up this beane philosophy, but the media is also very stupid. The beane philosophy is still waiting for it's call-up.

                                edit: sorry, didn't read your last line. Guess I just repeated what you said, lol.
                                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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