Yankees vs Redsox Thread

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

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Yankee nation saying Boston has no class, when it was Roger who started it all...

HYPOCRISY at its finest, folks.

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I know, funny that they would say that, when the Yankee fans themselves have NO class at all.

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Have you two actually watched the game? Yes? Then tell me where or how Roger started the whole. If not, then you TOTALLY have no say in this, especially calling us hypocrites.

[mjb2124]

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joeboo said:
My unbiased review of a few happenings yesterday (noticing many of these comments are team biased!):

IMO Clemens didn't start this. It was the mess that happened the inning before. I DON'T think Pedro threw at Garcia though. That loaded the bases with 0 outs and Boston was down by 1????? IF he did it intentionally, that is one of the dumbest things he could've done. That was a game-breaking situation and Pedro needed to get out of it to keep his team close.

Ramirez was looking for a reason to charge. He was wrong in that situation. If you saw the first few pitches of the sequence, ramirez was bailing out. He thought he was going to get hit and retaliated on anything inside.

As for Zim and Pedro - 100% Zim's fault. He should've kept his old *** on the bench. Coaches are supposed to help stop these things from happening, not inciting them. Classless move IMO.

I understand where Jeff Nelson is coming from saying that Pedro could've moved out of the way, but this was in the heat of battle and Pedro reacted. Pedro did in fact move to the side a little and then pushed Zim down (I also think Zim going down had a lot to do with him being totally out of control. Hell he was falling before he got to Pedro.). I'd do the same exact thing if Zim was running at me swinging from the hip. Zim is old enough to understand his place. On the baseball field fighting with another player is not his place. IMO, he should be fired from his position immediately.

Bullpen - Here's what I got. Boston security guy was waving a Boston flag in the Yankee bullpen. Nelson charged him and took him out. IF that's true, Nelson should have criminal charges filed against him. Totally uncalled for. No reason this guy can't wave a Boston flag in the Yankee bullpen. I'm sure this isn't all that happened, but ballplayers get paid a lot of money to do a job. No reason they should attack a fan (unless the fan is charging at them) who is rooting for the opposing team.

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1. I think the bases would have been loaded with 1 out, not 0. Previous to that AB, Karim got a hit off Pedro and drove in a run. Now that the bases are loaded, Soriano is coming up who is mediocre against Pedro, and he could have either struck him out, or made him hit into a DP.

2. I agree, but I give him a pass on that.

3. Zimmer had no bussiness charging at Pedro, but Pedro still have restrained himself, or stepped out of the way. You do not attack an old man. Same way you wouldn't hurt a woman, if she wanted to fight you.

Last, by Nelson's story, the groundscrew guy was waving the rally rag all game by NY's bullpen, not Boston's, and in the 9th, Nelson got pissed off, and told him "nicely" to go do it by the BoSox's bullpen, which the guy took an offense to.

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AI - I could've sworn there were 0 outs in that situation. I thought the guy after Garcia, grounded into a double play. Garcia slid hard into second which started all the finger pointing and Pedro pointing at his head (like saying I'll hit you in the head) to Posada.

I don't know much about the Nelson story so I'll take your word on it. I never heard good details as to what happened.

As for the Zim/Pedro thing. The reason I don't fault Pedro that much is because it's the heat of the battle. It's a reaction. It's easy to sit back and say "Pedro should've moved away or done this or that...", but difficult to think of that during the heat of the moment. Pedro protected himself and I have no beef with that. IMO Zim shouldn't have put himself in that situation. If I'm 70-something, I'm not going after a guy in his late 20's, early 30's. Just not real smart on his part.

[mjb2124]

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joeboo said:
My unbiased review of a few happenings yesterday (noticing many of these comments are team biased!):

IMO Clemens didn't start this. It was the mess that happened the inning before. I DON'T think Pedro threw at Garcia though. That loaded the bases with 0 outs and Boston was down by 1????? IF he did it intentionally, that is one of the dumbest things he could've done. That was a game-breaking situation and Pedro needed to get out of it to keep his team close.

Ramirez was looking for a reason to charge. He was wrong in that situation. If you saw the first few pitches of the sequence, ramirez was bailing out. He thought he was going to get hit and retaliated on anything inside.

As for Zim and Pedro - 100% Zim's fault. He should've kept his old *** on the bench. Coaches are supposed to help stop these things from happening, not inciting them. Classless move IMO.

I understand where Jeff Nelson is coming from saying that Pedro could've moved out of the way, but this was in the heat of battle and Pedro reacted. Pedro did in fact move to the side a little and then pushed Zim down (I also think Zim going down had a lot to do with him being totally out of control. Hell he was falling before he got to Pedro.). I'd do the same exact thing if Zim was running at me swinging from the hip. Zim is old enough to understand his place. On the baseball field fighting with another player is not his place. IMO, he should be fired from his position immediately.

Bullpen - Here's what I got. Boston security guy was waving a Boston flag in the Yankee bullpen. Nelson charged him and took him out. IF that's true, Nelson should have criminal charges filed against him. Totally uncalled for. No reason this guy can't wave a Boston flag in the Yankee bullpen. I'm sure this isn't all that happened, but ballplayers get paid a lot of money to do a job. No reason they should attack a fan (unless the fan is charging at them) who is rooting for the opposing team.

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1. I think the bases would have been loaded with 1 out, not 0. Previous to that AB, Karim got a hit off Pedro and drove in a run. Now that the bases are loaded, Soriano is coming up who is mediocre against Pedro, and he could have either struck him out, or made him hit into a DP.

2. I agree, but I give him a pass on that.

3. Zimmer had no bussiness charging at Pedro, but Pedro still have restrained himself, or stepped out of the way. You do not attack an old man. Same way you wouldn't hurt a woman, if she wanted to fight you.

Last, by Nelson's story, the groundscrew guy was waving the rally rag all game by NY's bullpen, not Boston's, and in the 9th, Nelson got pissed off, and told him "nicely" to go do it by the BoSox's bullpen, which the guy took an offense to.

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AI - I could've sworn there were 0 outs in that situation. I thought the guy after Garcia, grounded into a double play. Garcia slid hard into second which started all the finger pointing and Pedro pointing at his head (like saying I'll hit you in the head) to Posada.

I don't know much about the Nelson story so I'll take your word on it. I never heard good details as to what happened.

As for the Zim/Pedro thing. The reason I don't fault Pedro that much is because it's the heat of the battle. It's a reaction. It's easy to sit back and say "Pedro should've moved away or done this or that...", but difficult to think of that during the heat of the moment. Pedro protected himself and I have no beef with that. IMO Zim shouldn't have put himself in that situation. If I'm 70-something, I'm not going after a guy in his late 20's, early 30's. Just not real smart on his part.

[mjb2124]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

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AI_Franchise03 said:
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joeboo said:
My unbiased review of a few happenings yesterday (noticing many of these comments are team biased!):

IMO Clemens didn't start this. It was the mess that happened the inning before. I DON'T think Pedro threw at Garcia though. That loaded the bases with 0 outs and Boston was down by 1????? IF he did it intentionally, that is one of the dumbest things he could've done. That was a game-breaking situation and Pedro needed to get out of it to keep his team close.

Ramirez was looking for a reason to charge. He was wrong in that situation. If you saw the first few pitches of the sequence, ramirez was bailing out. He thought he was going to get hit and retaliated on anything inside.

As for Zim and Pedro - 100% Zim's fault. He should've kept his old *** on the bench. Coaches are supposed to help stop these things from happening, not inciting them. Classless move IMO.

I understand where Jeff Nelson is coming from saying that Pedro could've moved out of the way, but this was in the heat of battle and Pedro reacted. Pedro did in fact move to the side a little and then pushed Zim down (I also think Zim going down had a lot to do with him being totally out of control. Hell he was falling before he got to Pedro.). I'd do the same exact thing if Zim was running at me swinging from the hip. Zim is old enough to understand his place. On the baseball field fighting with another player is not his place. IMO, he should be fired from his position immediately.

Bullpen - Here's what I got. Boston security guy was waving a Boston flag in the Yankee bullpen. Nelson charged him and took him out. IF that's true, Nelson should have criminal charges filed against him. Totally uncalled for. No reason this guy can't wave a Boston flag in the Yankee bullpen. I'm sure this isn't all that happened, but ballplayers get paid a lot of money to do a job. No reason they should attack a fan (unless the fan is charging at them) who is rooting for the opposing team.

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1. I think the bases would have been loaded with 1 out, not 0. Previous to that AB, Karim got a hit off Pedro and drove in a run. Now that the bases are loaded, Soriano is coming up who is mediocre against Pedro, and he could have either struck him out, or made him hit into a DP.

2. I agree, but I give him a pass on that.

3. Zimmer had no bussiness charging at Pedro, but Pedro still have restrained himself, or stepped out of the way. You do not attack an old man. Same way you wouldn't hurt a woman, if she wanted to fight you.

Last, by Nelson's story, the groundscrew guy was waving the rally rag all game by NY's bullpen, not Boston's, and in the 9th, Nelson got pissed off, and told him "nicely" to go do it by the BoSox's bullpen, which the guy took an offense to.

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AI - I could've sworn there were 0 outs in that situation. I thought the guy after Garcia, grounded into a double play. Garcia slid hard into second which started all the finger pointing and Pedro pointing at his head (like saying I'll hit you in the head) to Posada.

I don't know much about the Nelson story so I'll take your word on it. I never heard good details as to what happened.

As for the Zim/Pedro thing. The reason I don't fault Pedro that much is because it's the heat of the battle. It's a reaction. It's easy to sit back and say "Pedro should've moved away or done this or that...", but difficult to think of that during the heat of the moment. Pedro protected himself and I have no beef with that. IMO Zim shouldn't have put himself in that situation. If I'm 70-something, I'm not going after a guy in his late 20's, early 30's. Just not real smart on his part.

[thecomic]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

I'm totally unbiassed here - my teams already out

For those of you are confused by your loyalties, maybe this will help

A**HOLES
- Pedro
- Clemens
- Manny

But the blame all goes to Pedro and Manny for this one. It's not even questionable, both should've been tossed out. How can you take your bat out towards the mound and not get tossed? Pedro should be SUSPENDED for the rest of the series! For saying he was going to hit Posada in the temple.

Ya, Clemens is a jerk who lets his testosorine get out of hand at times, but not yesterday. He handled it like a pro. Actually very classy. And if it wasn't Clemens, that would be one of the side notes to the game.

A NOTE TO BOSOX FANS: I know you want this with all of your heart, as Giants fan I can understand, but don't try to defend the actions of Pedro or Manny yesterday, it just makes you look stupid and ignorant.

[thecomic]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

I'm totally unbiassed here - my teams already out

For those of you are confused by your loyalties, maybe this will help

A**HOLES
- Pedro
- Clemens
- Manny

But the blame all goes to Pedro and Manny for this one. It's not even questionable, both should've been tossed out. How can you take your bat out towards the mound and not get tossed? Pedro should be SUSPENDED for the rest of the series! For saying he was going to hit Posada in the temple.

Ya, Clemens is a jerk who lets his testosorine get out of hand at times, but not yesterday. He handled it like a pro. Actually very classy. And if it wasn't Clemens, that would be one of the side notes to the game.

A NOTE TO BOSOX FANS: I know you want this with all of your heart, as Giants fan I can understand, but don't try to defend the actions of Pedro or Manny yesterday, it just makes you look stupid and ignorant.

[thecomic]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

I'm totally unbiassed here - my teams already out

For those of you are confused by your loyalties, maybe this will help

A**HOLES
- Pedro
- Clemens
- Manny

But the blame all goes to Pedro and Manny for this one. It's not even questionable, both should've been tossed out. How can you take your bat out towards the mound and not get tossed? Pedro should be SUSPENDED for the rest of the series! For saying he was going to hit Posada in the temple.

Ya, Clemens is a jerk who lets his testosorine get out of hand at times, but not yesterday. He handled it like a pro. Actually very classy. And if it wasn't Clemens, that would be one of the side notes to the game.

A NOTE TO BOSOX FANS: I know you want this with all of your heart, as Giants fan I can understand, but don't try to defend the actions of Pedro or Manny yesterday, it just makes you look stupid and ignorant.

[redsox2445]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

Roger did not start any of this. that is for sure. But a VERY wrong and un-classy move by Garcia 1) slding spikes up into walker over the bag and everything. 2) starting with a groundskeeper who was rooting for his home town team. Also, Nelson was wrong in starting with the fan also. then the Pedro thing, and everyone making it seem like pedro was the bad guy, total BS. hes running at u with fists flying and charging at u, then someone says he "bodyslams" him? that is not at all what he did, he pushed him to the side and he fell, he could have done much worse if he wanted to hurt him or anything like that. Manny is an idiot, but it is a tough situation for him when the whole AB he was worried for the inside high heat which Roger has been known for as well, but DEFINITLY overreacted. This game was a mess, dont know how else to say it.

[redsox2445]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

Roger did not start any of this. that is for sure. But a VERY wrong and un-classy move by Garcia 1) slding spikes up into walker over the bag and everything. 2) starting with a groundskeeper who was rooting for his home town team. Also, Nelson was wrong in starting with the fan also. then the Pedro thing, and everyone making it seem like pedro was the bad guy, total BS. hes running at u with fists flying and charging at u, then someone says he "bodyslams" him? that is not at all what he did, he pushed him to the side and he fell, he could have done much worse if he wanted to hurt him or anything like that. Manny is an idiot, but it is a tough situation for him when the whole AB he was worried for the inside high heat which Roger has been known for as well, but DEFINITLY overreacted. This game was a mess, dont know how else to say it.

[redsox2445]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

Roger did not start any of this. that is for sure. But a VERY wrong and un-classy move by Garcia 1) slding spikes up into walker over the bag and everything. 2) starting with a groundskeeper who was rooting for his home town team. Also, Nelson was wrong in starting with the fan also. then the Pedro thing, and everyone making it seem like pedro was the bad guy, total BS. hes running at u with fists flying and charging at u, then someone says he "bodyslams" him? that is not at all what he did, he pushed him to the side and he fell, he could have done much worse if he wanted to hurt him or anything like that. Manny is an idiot, but it is a tough situation for him when the whole AB he was worried for the inside high heat which Roger has been known for as well, but DEFINITLY overreacted. This game was a mess, dont know how else to say it.

[driddy]

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As a neutral observer (braves fan) Zimmeran was handled with kid's gloves. He should have received more punishment just to show him that he needs to keep his aging behind on the bench. What if Pedro had his back turned, and Zimmeran took a bat to his head? Would the same apologists say he was just an old man, give him a break? He's a grown man, who charged a player on the other team, he's lucky that's all he got. Zimmeran was wrong, that's all you can say about it. He's lucky Pedro treated him so kindly, when he could have been on the receiving end of a serious beatdown, or worse a heart attack/stroke from the excitement of receiving a beatdown.

[driddy]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

As a neutral observer (braves fan) Zimmeran was handled with kid's gloves. He should have received more punishment just to show him that he needs to keep his aging behind on the bench. What if Pedro had his back turned, and Zimmeran took a bat to his head? Would the same apologists say he was just an old man, give him a break? He's a grown man, who charged a player on the other team, he's lucky that's all he got. Zimmeran was wrong, that's all you can say about it. He's lucky Pedro treated him so kindly, when he could have been on the receiving end of a serious beatdown, or worse a heart attack/stroke from the excitement of receiving a beatdown.

[driddy]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

As a neutral observer (braves fan) Zimmeran was handled with kid's gloves. He should have received more punishment just to show him that he needs to keep his aging behind on the bench. What if Pedro had his back turned, and Zimmeran took a bat to his head? Would the same apologists say he was just an old man, give him a break? He's a grown man, who charged a player on the other team, he's lucky that's all he got. Zimmeran was wrong, that's all you can say about it. He's lucky Pedro treated him so kindly, when he could have been on the receiving end of a serious beatdown, or worse a heart attack/stroke from the excitement of receiving a beatdown.

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

I heard one say that Pedro's pointing to his head, and motioning he will hit him(Posada) in the head, Zimm took it personally because he was in a comma after he had been hit in the head by a pitch. Still had no right to even go up to him, which he was the only one. Where the heck was Posada or Karim at the time?! Still, though, I believe Martinez could have done the right thing by stepping away. I understand the heat of a battle and all, but your mind should process that this man is much older than you, and you could seriously hurt him by a simple move. I doubt Zimm would have gone at him with a bat, or even Zimm could have hurt Pedro, but then again Pedro is fragile.

I do agree that it was wrong of Karim to express his anger onto an innocent player. That was unclassy, you're right. Again, where was he when he had his chance at Pedro?

And fianally, you didn't think Pedro bodyslammed him?

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

I heard one say that Pedro's pointing to his head, and motioning he will hit him(Posada) in the head, Zimm took it personally because he was in a comma after he had been hit in the head by a pitch. Still had no right to even go up to him, which he was the only one. Where the heck was Posada or Karim at the time?! Still, though, I believe Martinez could have done the right thing by stepping away. I understand the heat of a battle and all, but your mind should process that this man is much older than you, and you could seriously hurt him by a simple move. I doubt Zimm would have gone at him with a bat, or even Zimm could have hurt Pedro, but then again Pedro is fragile.

I do agree that it was wrong of Karim to express his anger onto an innocent player. That was unclassy, you're right. Again, where was he when he had his chance at Pedro?

And fianally, you didn't think Pedro bodyslammed him?