Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

[fully23]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

friendly fire sucks. Hope you heal up dce.

[rubisco43]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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AI_Franchise03 said:
It was game 7 of the ALCS. Biggest game of the season. He needed to pitch a GEM of a game. He needs to shine once in a while in a postseason, and at least get a CG shutout for me to consider him "great". This was his chance to prove that, and that he should be considered as a great postseason pitcher, like some of the players he has been compared to, and like said, his defining moment. Once in a while he has to be able to close out the game and get an impressive win. He has to go the extra mile once in a while, and this wasn't his highest count this season...But in result he stunk.
So far, he hasn't been all that's expected of him. I wasn't impressed with his game in OAK, Fenway, and today's game. Not the same type of pitcher that he is in the regular season IMO. And this was his chance to take his team to the WS by himself, and he came short of it, just like before. Well, that's my opinion. Little did the right job, and Pedro didn't get his job done.

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Nice points. But Pedro ISN'T the same pitcher he once was. He was DOMINATING a few years ago. Now, even though he's top 5 in the AL, he isn't the "strikeout 15 batters a game" dominating. Plus, we've all seen how fragile he is and how pitch counts actually matter with this guy. True, this IS game 7, and the perfect stage to leave his legacy as a great big-game pitcher, but he's BEEN dominating as a postseason pitcher up to this point.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Postseason Pitching


Year Round Tm Opp WLser G ERA W-L SV CG IP H ER BB SO
+------------------+-----+--+------+-----+--+--+-----+---+---+---+---+
1998 ALDS1 BOS CLE L 1 3.86 1-0 0 0 7.0 6 3 0 8
1999 ALDS1 BOS CLE W 2 0.00 1-0 0 0 10.0 3 0 4 11
ALCS BOS NYY L 1 0.00 1-0 0 0 7.0 2 0 2 12
+------------------+-----+--+------+-----+--+--+-----+---+---+---+---+
3 Postseason Ser 1-2 4 1.12 3-0 0 0 24.0 11 3 6 31
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3-0 with a 1.12 ERA in 3 starts and 1 relief appearance. I think many fans would have believed that Pedro was dominating in this game EVEN had he been pulled in the 8th inning.

[rubisco43]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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AI_Franchise03 said:
It was game 7 of the ALCS. Biggest game of the season. He needed to pitch a GEM of a game. He needs to shine once in a while in a postseason, and at least get a CG shutout for me to consider him "great". This was his chance to prove that, and that he should be considered as a great postseason pitcher, like some of the players he has been compared to, and like said, his defining moment. Once in a while he has to be able to close out the game and get an impressive win. He has to go the extra mile once in a while, and this wasn't his highest count this season...But in result he stunk.
So far, he hasn't been all that's expected of him. I wasn't impressed with his game in OAK, Fenway, and today's game. Not the same type of pitcher that he is in the regular season IMO. And this was his chance to take his team to the WS by himself, and he came short of it, just like before. Well, that's my opinion. Little did the right job, and Pedro didn't get his job done.

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Nice points. But Pedro ISN'T the same pitcher he once was. He was DOMINATING a few years ago. Now, even though he's top 5 in the AL, he isn't the "strikeout 15 batters a game" dominating. Plus, we've all seen how fragile he is and how pitch counts actually matter with this guy. True, this IS game 7, and the perfect stage to leave his legacy as a great big-game pitcher, but he's BEEN dominating as a postseason pitcher up to this point.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Postseason Pitching


Year Round Tm Opp WLser G ERA W-L SV CG IP H ER BB SO
+------------------+-----+--+------+-----+--+--+-----+---+---+---+---+
1998 ALDS1 BOS CLE L 1 3.86 1-0 0 0 7.0 6 3 0 8
1999 ALDS1 BOS CLE W 2 0.00 1-0 0 0 10.0 3 0 4 11
ALCS BOS NYY L 1 0.00 1-0 0 0 7.0 2 0 2 12
+------------------+-----+--+------+-----+--+--+-----+---+---+---+---+
3 Postseason Ser 1-2 4 1.12 3-0 0 0 24.0 11 3 6 31
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3-0 with a 1.12 ERA in 3 starts and 1 relief appearance. I think many fans would have believed that Pedro was dominating in this game EVEN had he been pulled in the 8th inning.

[rubisco43]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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AI_Franchise03 said:
It was game 7 of the ALCS. Biggest game of the season. He needed to pitch a GEM of a game. He needs to shine once in a while in a postseason, and at least get a CG shutout for me to consider him "great". This was his chance to prove that, and that he should be considered as a great postseason pitcher, like some of the players he has been compared to, and like said, his defining moment. Once in a while he has to be able to close out the game and get an impressive win. He has to go the extra mile once in a while, and this wasn't his highest count this season...But in result he stunk.
So far, he hasn't been all that's expected of him. I wasn't impressed with his game in OAK, Fenway, and today's game. Not the same type of pitcher that he is in the regular season IMO. And this was his chance to take his team to the WS by himself, and he came short of it, just like before. Well, that's my opinion. Little did the right job, and Pedro didn't get his job done.

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Nice points. But Pedro ISN'T the same pitcher he once was. He was DOMINATING a few years ago. Now, even though he's top 5 in the AL, he isn't the "strikeout 15 batters a game" dominating. Plus, we've all seen how fragile he is and how pitch counts actually matter with this guy. True, this IS game 7, and the perfect stage to leave his legacy as a great big-game pitcher, but he's BEEN dominating as a postseason pitcher up to this point.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Postseason Pitching


Year Round Tm Opp WLser G ERA W-L SV CG IP H ER BB SO
+------------------+-----+--+------+-----+--+--+-----+---+---+---+---+
1998 ALDS1 BOS CLE L 1 3.86 1-0 0 0 7.0 6 3 0 8
1999 ALDS1 BOS CLE W 2 0.00 1-0 0 0 10.0 3 0 4 11
ALCS BOS NYY L 1 0.00 1-0 0 0 7.0 2 0 2 12
+------------------+-----+--+------+-----+--+--+-----+---+---+---+---+
3 Postseason Ser 1-2 4 1.12 3-0 0 0 24.0 11 3 6 31
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3-0 with a 1.12 ERA in 3 starts and 1 relief appearance. I think many fans would have believed that Pedro was dominating in this game EVEN had he been pulled in the 8th inning.

[rubisco43]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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RoSHiJETS10 said:
Does Boone hitting the game winner remind anyone of Bucky "F*ckin" Dent (as he is know in Boston)? Neither was a power hitter and noone expected a homer when they came up to the plate. I almost feel sorry for the Sox fans.....ALMOST!!

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It'll now be Grady F^#*ing Little.

[rubisco43]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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RoSHiJETS10 said:
Does Boone hitting the game winner remind anyone of Bucky "F*ckin" Dent (as he is know in Boston)? Neither was a power hitter and noone expected a homer when they came up to the plate. I almost feel sorry for the Sox fans.....ALMOST!!

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It'll now be Grady F^#*ing Little.

[rubisco43]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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RoSHiJETS10 said:
Does Boone hitting the game winner remind anyone of Bucky "F*ckin" Dent (as he is know in Boston)? Neither was a power hitter and noone expected a homer when they came up to the plate. I almost feel sorry for the Sox fans.....ALMOST!!

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It'll now be Grady F^#*ing Little.

[snowmizer]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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AI_Franchise03 said:
It was game 7 of the ALCS. Biggest game of the season. He needed to pitch a GEM of a game. He needs to shine once in a while in a postseason, and at least get a CG shutout for me to consider him "great". This was his chance to prove that, and that he should be considered as a great postseason pitcher, like some of the players he has been compared to, and like said, his defining moment. Once in a while he has to be able to close out the game and get an impressive win. He has to go the extra mile once in a while, and this wasn't his highest count this season...But in result he stunk.
So far, he hasn't been all that's expected of him. I wasn't impressed with his game in OAK, Fenway, and today's game. Not the same type of pitcher that he is in the regular season IMO. And this was his chance to take his team to the WS by himself, and he came short of it, just like before. Well, that's my opinion. Little did the right job, and Pedro didn't get his job done.

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So wrong on so many levels.

[snowmizer]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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AI_Franchise03 said:
It was game 7 of the ALCS. Biggest game of the season. He needed to pitch a GEM of a game. He needs to shine once in a while in a postseason, and at least get a CG shutout for me to consider him "great". This was his chance to prove that, and that he should be considered as a great postseason pitcher, like some of the players he has been compared to, and like said, his defining moment. Once in a while he has to be able to close out the game and get an impressive win. He has to go the extra mile once in a while, and this wasn't his highest count this season...But in result he stunk.
So far, he hasn't been all that's expected of him. I wasn't impressed with his game in OAK, Fenway, and today's game. Not the same type of pitcher that he is in the regular season IMO. And this was his chance to take his team to the WS by himself, and he came short of it, just like before. Well, that's my opinion. Little did the right job, and Pedro didn't get his job done.

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So wrong on so many levels.

[snowmizer]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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AI_Franchise03 said:
It was game 7 of the ALCS. Biggest game of the season. He needed to pitch a GEM of a game. He needs to shine once in a while in a postseason, and at least get a CG shutout for me to consider him "great". This was his chance to prove that, and that he should be considered as a great postseason pitcher, like some of the players he has been compared to, and like said, his defining moment. Once in a while he has to be able to close out the game and get an impressive win. He has to go the extra mile once in a while, and this wasn't his highest count this season...But in result he stunk.
So far, he hasn't been all that's expected of him. I wasn't impressed with his game in OAK, Fenway, and today's game. Not the same type of pitcher that he is in the regular season IMO. And this was his chance to take his team to the WS by himself, and he came short of it, just like before. Well, that's my opinion. Little did the right job, and Pedro didn't get his job done.

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So wrong on so many levels.

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

I'm aware of his postseason history, which doesn't even include many games, but this was the biggest. Sure he may not be the same as he was before, with his shoulder problems and all, but the guy is in his prime and is baseball's most payed pitcher(I believe he is), but still comes up short of it. For someone in AL EAST, and Boston's #1 pitcher, he just doesn't get the job done (against the Yanks). Pathetic.

And to the one who sayed I was wrong, you mind telling me exactly how I'm wrong?

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

I'm aware of his postseason history, which doesn't even include many games, but this was the biggest. Sure he may not be the same as he was before, with his shoulder problems and all, but the guy is in his prime and is baseball's most payed pitcher(I believe he is), but still comes up short of it. For someone in AL EAST, and Boston's #1 pitcher, he just doesn't get the job done (against the Yanks). Pathetic.

And to the one who sayed I was wrong, you mind telling me exactly how I'm wrong?

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

I'm aware of his postseason history, which doesn't even include many games, but this was the biggest. Sure he may not be the same as he was before, with his shoulder problems and all, but the guy is in his prime and is baseball's most payed pitcher(I believe he is), but still comes up short of it. For someone in AL EAST, and Boston's #1 pitcher, he just doesn't get the job done (against the Yanks). Pathetic.

And to the one who sayed I was wrong, you mind telling me exactly how I'm wrong?

[snowmizer]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

Besides the fact that he already met your definition of 'great' in the Cleveland series 4 years ago, since when is a CG necessary?

There's only so many pitches one can throw effectively in one outing. Because he's baseball's highest-paid pitcher, he's not subject to the same limitations of human physiology as anybody else? Does he magically gain the ability to run out there and throw 130 pitches without a problem on every start? How about 150? Why stop there? If 170 pitches were what was necessary to get the complete game victory, that's what he should have delivered.

It appears the only two people who would have sent him back out to the mound to even start the eighth are you and Grady Little. Everybody else on the planet would have had him sitting in the dugout, mission accomplished... seven strong innings, with the echo of Tim McCarver's reference to Russell Crowe's new movie ("'Master and Commander', starring Pedro Martinez tonight") ringing in the audience's ears, as Boston's bullpen preserves the victory.

Pedro lived up to what was expected of him. Grady Little did not.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens. On the plus side, at least he didn't get himself thrown out of the game in the second inning in this game.)

[snowmizer]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

Besides the fact that he already met your definition of 'great' in the Cleveland series 4 years ago, since when is a CG necessary?

There's only so many pitches one can throw effectively in one outing. Because he's baseball's highest-paid pitcher, he's not subject to the same limitations of human physiology as anybody else? Does he magically gain the ability to run out there and throw 130 pitches without a problem on every start? How about 150? Why stop there? If 170 pitches were what was necessary to get the complete game victory, that's what he should have delivered.

It appears the only two people who would have sent him back out to the mound to even start the eighth are you and Grady Little. Everybody else on the planet would have had him sitting in the dugout, mission accomplished... seven strong innings, with the echo of Tim McCarver's reference to Russell Crowe's new movie ("'Master and Commander', starring Pedro Martinez tonight") ringing in the audience's ears, as Boston's bullpen preserves the victory.

Pedro lived up to what was expected of him. Grady Little did not.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens. On the plus side, at least he didn't get himself thrown out of the game in the second inning in this game.)