Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

[BTB]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

AI_Franchise I completely agree with you about Pedro. Yes he pitched well, maybe great, but an ace, the guy who is considered the best in baseball, needs to get that dominant cg to seal the deal. That is why he gets 17 mil next year.

For that performance we might as well get two great pitchers for 8 mil each.

And about the Yanks not deserving it, well if Grady little had made the right move it could have very well been a different outcome, it didnt come down to the yanks just beating the red sox. I guess that comment was more out of emotion tho

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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snowmizer said:
Besides the fact that he already met your definition of 'great' in the Cleveland series 4 years ago, since when is a CG necessary?

Last night was necesarry because of many things. One being you're going to the WS. That's a good reason for me.
Heck, Mo pitched 3 innings!

There's only so many pitches one can throw effectively in one outing. Because he's baseball's highest-paid pitcher, he's not subject to the same limitations of human physiology as anybody else? Does he magically gain the ability to run out there and throw 130 pitches without a problem on every start? How about 150? Why stop there? If 170 pitches were what was necessary to get the complete game victory, that's what he should have delivered.

Definetely. Has to do it once in a while, and this was the best day to do so. But not only was I expecting a CG, but a shutout to boot.

It appears the only two people who would have sent him back out to the mound to even start the eighth are you and Grady Little. Everybody else on the planet would have had him sitting in the dugout, mission accomplished... seven strong innings, with the echo of Tim McCarver's reference to Russell Crowe's new movie ("'Master and Commander', starring Pedro Martinez tonight") ringing in the audience's ears, as Boston's bullpen preserves the victory.

Tim Wakefield was part of that bullpen, and his magic didn't work that day. Could have been the same case with any guy coming in for relief. Unless you have Mo coming out of the pen, you get the job finished youself.

Pedro lived up to what was expected of him. Grady Little did not.

Little got them to Game 7 ALCS, and Pedro didn't get them to the WS. 'Nuff said.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens. On the plus side, at least he didn't get himself thrown out of the game in the second inning in this game.)

Unlike Pedro and BoSox fans, we don't count on Roger to get us to the WS, and neither is he our #1 pitcher.
Pedro wants to break the curse? So do it. Don't count on your 'pen to do the job for you.
In that '99 game, Pedro had thrown many pitches, and was hurting while pitching that game.

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[AI_Franchise03]

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snowmizer said:
Besides the fact that he already met your definition of 'great' in the Cleveland series 4 years ago, since when is a CG necessary?

Last night was necesarry because of many things. One being you're going to the WS. That's a good reason for me.
Heck, Mo pitched 3 innings!

There's only so many pitches one can throw effectively in one outing. Because he's baseball's highest-paid pitcher, he's not subject to the same limitations of human physiology as anybody else? Does he magically gain the ability to run out there and throw 130 pitches without a problem on every start? How about 150? Why stop there? If 170 pitches were what was necessary to get the complete game victory, that's what he should have delivered.

Definetely. Has to do it once in a while, and this was the best day to do so. But not only was I expecting a CG, but a shutout to boot.

It appears the only two people who would have sent him back out to the mound to even start the eighth are you and Grady Little. Everybody else on the planet would have had him sitting in the dugout, mission accomplished... seven strong innings, with the echo of Tim McCarver's reference to Russell Crowe's new movie ("'Master and Commander', starring Pedro Martinez tonight") ringing in the audience's ears, as Boston's bullpen preserves the victory.

Tim Wakefield was part of that bullpen, and his magic didn't work that day. Could have been the same case with any guy coming in for relief. Unless you have Mo coming out of the pen, you get the job finished youself.

Pedro lived up to what was expected of him. Grady Little did not.

Little got them to Game 7 ALCS, and Pedro didn't get them to the WS. 'Nuff said.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens. On the plus side, at least he didn't get himself thrown out of the game in the second inning in this game.)

Unlike Pedro and BoSox fans, we don't count on Roger to get us to the WS, and neither is he our #1 pitcher.
Pedro wants to break the curse? So do it. Don't count on your 'pen to do the job for you.
In that '99 game, Pedro had thrown many pitches, and was hurting while pitching that game.

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[AI_Franchise03]

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snowmizer said:
Besides the fact that he already met your definition of 'great' in the Cleveland series 4 years ago, since when is a CG necessary?

Last night was necesarry because of many things. One being you're going to the WS. That's a good reason for me.
Heck, Mo pitched 3 innings!

There's only so many pitches one can throw effectively in one outing. Because he's baseball's highest-paid pitcher, he's not subject to the same limitations of human physiology as anybody else? Does he magically gain the ability to run out there and throw 130 pitches without a problem on every start? How about 150? Why stop there? If 170 pitches were what was necessary to get the complete game victory, that's what he should have delivered.

Definetely. Has to do it once in a while, and this was the best day to do so. But not only was I expecting a CG, but a shutout to boot.

It appears the only two people who would have sent him back out to the mound to even start the eighth are you and Grady Little. Everybody else on the planet would have had him sitting in the dugout, mission accomplished... seven strong innings, with the echo of Tim McCarver's reference to Russell Crowe's new movie ("'Master and Commander', starring Pedro Martinez tonight") ringing in the audience's ears, as Boston's bullpen preserves the victory.

Tim Wakefield was part of that bullpen, and his magic didn't work that day. Could have been the same case with any guy coming in for relief. Unless you have Mo coming out of the pen, you get the job finished youself.

Pedro lived up to what was expected of him. Grady Little did not.

Little got them to Game 7 ALCS, and Pedro didn't get them to the WS. 'Nuff said.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens. On the plus side, at least he didn't get himself thrown out of the game in the second inning in this game.)

Unlike Pedro and BoSox fans, we don't count on Roger to get us to the WS, and neither is he our #1 pitcher.
Pedro wants to break the curse? So do it. Don't count on your 'pen to do the job for you.
In that '99 game, Pedro had thrown many pitches, and was hurting while pitching that game.

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[snowmizer]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

I'll let SI's Tom Verducci point out the obvious...

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I have seen Tommy Lasorda pitch to Jack Clark with a base open, costing the Dodgers a trip to the 1987 World Series. I have seen McNamara leave Buckner in the game. But I have not seen a more blatant, more crucial lapse in judgment with so much on the line as I saw from Little. It may well turn out to be a fireable offense, given the resources and emotional energy the Boston front office has sunk into defeating the "Evil Empire."

In any case, Little will never be forgotten.

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Of course, the one mistake is that Little doesn't need to be fired since his contract is now over.

[snowmizer]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

I'll let SI's Tom Verducci point out the obvious...

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I have seen Tommy Lasorda pitch to Jack Clark with a base open, costing the Dodgers a trip to the 1987 World Series. I have seen McNamara leave Buckner in the game. But I have not seen a more blatant, more crucial lapse in judgment with so much on the line as I saw from Little. It may well turn out to be a fireable offense, given the resources and emotional energy the Boston front office has sunk into defeating the "Evil Empire."

In any case, Little will never be forgotten.

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Of course, the one mistake is that Little doesn't need to be fired since his contract is now over.

[snowmizer]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

I'll let SI's Tom Verducci point out the obvious...

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I have seen Tommy Lasorda pitch to Jack Clark with a base open, costing the Dodgers a trip to the 1987 World Series. I have seen McNamara leave Buckner in the game. But I have not seen a more blatant, more crucial lapse in judgment with so much on the line as I saw from Little. It may well turn out to be a fireable offense, given the resources and emotional energy the Boston front office has sunk into defeating the "Evil Empire."

In any case, Little will never be forgotten.

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Of course, the one mistake is that Little doesn't need to be fired since his contract is now over.

[RoSHiJETS10]

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BeanTownBrawler said:
AI_Franchise I completely agree with you about Pedro. Yes he pitched well, maybe great, but an ace, the guy who is considered the best in baseball, needs to get that dominant cg to seal the deal. That is why he gets 17 mil next year.

For that performance we might as well get two great pitchers for 8 mil each.

And about the Yanks not deserving it, well if Grady little had made the right move it could have very well been a different outcome, it didnt come down to the yanks just beating the red sox. I guess that comment was more out of emotion tho

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While the sox bullpen has been good this postseason. Embree, Timlin, Wakefeild or whoever would have been lighten up! Dont blame Little for everything.

[RoSHiJETS10]

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BeanTownBrawler said:
AI_Franchise I completely agree with you about Pedro. Yes he pitched well, maybe great, but an ace, the guy who is considered the best in baseball, needs to get that dominant cg to seal the deal. That is why he gets 17 mil next year.

For that performance we might as well get two great pitchers for 8 mil each.

And about the Yanks not deserving it, well if Grady little had made the right move it could have very well been a different outcome, it didnt come down to the yanks just beating the red sox. I guess that comment was more out of emotion tho

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While the sox bullpen has been good this postseason. Embree, Timlin, Wakefeild or whoever would have been lighten up! Dont blame Little for everything.

[RoSHiJETS10]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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BeanTownBrawler said:
AI_Franchise I completely agree with you about Pedro. Yes he pitched well, maybe great, but an ace, the guy who is considered the best in baseball, needs to get that dominant cg to seal the deal. That is why he gets 17 mil next year.

For that performance we might as well get two great pitchers for 8 mil each.

And about the Yanks not deserving it, well if Grady little had made the right move it could have very well been a different outcome, it didnt come down to the yanks just beating the red sox. I guess that comment was more out of emotion tho

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While the sox bullpen has been good this postseason. Embree, Timlin, Wakefeild or whoever would have been lighten up! Dont blame Little for everything.

[Sully]

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The only thing you can blame Little for was a bad coaching decision. Whether or not taking Pedro out before he faced Bernie or Matsui would have changed the outcome of the game we will never know. I think it's harsh to say he cost them the game, but he may have cost them a chance of winning the game. But that's why he's in the position he is. He gets paid to make those decisions and we don't. He decided to stick with Pedro.
Pedro is the most dominant 6 inning pitcher in baseball. But over the past couple of seasons, his endurance has been horrific. It was obvious in the A's series and definitely obvious in game 7 of the Yankees series. Pedro just isn't the same pitcher after 100 pitches.
The Yankees deserve to be in the World Series. Most of us are turned off by the World Series now that the Yanks are involved, but that's life.

[Sully]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

The only thing you can blame Little for was a bad coaching decision. Whether or not taking Pedro out before he faced Bernie or Matsui would have changed the outcome of the game we will never know. I think it's harsh to say he cost them the game, but he may have cost them a chance of winning the game. But that's why he's in the position he is. He gets paid to make those decisions and we don't. He decided to stick with Pedro.
Pedro is the most dominant 6 inning pitcher in baseball. But over the past couple of seasons, his endurance has been horrific. It was obvious in the A's series and definitely obvious in game 7 of the Yankees series. Pedro just isn't the same pitcher after 100 pitches.
The Yankees deserve to be in the World Series. Most of us are turned off by the World Series now that the Yanks are involved, but that's life.

[Sully]

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

The only thing you can blame Little for was a bad coaching decision. Whether or not taking Pedro out before he faced Bernie or Matsui would have changed the outcome of the game we will never know. I think it's harsh to say he cost them the game, but he may have cost them a chance of winning the game. But that's why he's in the position he is. He gets paid to make those decisions and we don't. He decided to stick with Pedro.
Pedro is the most dominant 6 inning pitcher in baseball. But over the past couple of seasons, his endurance has been horrific. It was obvious in the A's series and definitely obvious in game 7 of the Yankees series. Pedro just isn't the same pitcher after 100 pitches.
The Yankees deserve to be in the World Series. Most of us are turned off by the World Series now that the Yanks are involved, but that's life.

[MrScary]

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Skyboxer said:
Love em or hate em you have to respect the fact they came back and won. Yes the ratings will probably be less that they would have been with a Cubs vs Redsox series but I don't think the fans or players care about ratings.

I like how Boone said earlier Jeter told him "The ghosts will show up soon" Classic...

To the Redsox and their fans, Great season! You fought till the end and deserve alot of respect.




<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I don't think ratings will be that much different if it was cubs and red sox. It has more to do with the nature of baseball. I feel baseball fans are more loyal to their local teams than they would be to a team that is on the other side of the country. In Football and Basketball there is very little local loyalty to teams. I live in the NJ/NY area and most people are Lakers or anybody who Michael Jordan plays for, and Cowboy fans. Why i don't know. I think baseball is just what it is. cubs-sox yankees-marlins which would draw more? Who knows. But what i do know is the yankees wasn't there last yr. Giants-Angels and the ratings still sucked. Barry Bonds the best player in baseball couldn't even draw huge ratings. What in the hell makes anyone think that Cubs-Sox would make any difference.

[MrScary]

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Skyboxer said:
Love em or hate em you have to respect the fact they came back and won. Yes the ratings will probably be less that they would have been with a Cubs vs Redsox series but I don't think the fans or players care about ratings.

I like how Boone said earlier Jeter told him "The ghosts will show up soon" Classic...

To the Redsox and their fans, Great season! You fought till the end and deserve alot of respect.




<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I don't think ratings will be that much different if it was cubs and red sox. It has more to do with the nature of baseball. I feel baseball fans are more loyal to their local teams than they would be to a team that is on the other side of the country. In Football and Basketball there is very little local loyalty to teams. I live in the NJ/NY area and most people are Lakers or anybody who Michael Jordan plays for, and Cowboy fans. Why i don't know. I think baseball is just what it is. cubs-sox yankees-marlins which would draw more? Who knows. But what i do know is the yankees wasn't there last yr. Giants-Angels and the ratings still sucked. Barry Bonds the best player in baseball couldn't even draw huge ratings. What in the hell makes anyone think that Cubs-Sox would make any difference.