Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

**MrScary** · 10-17-2003, 06:58 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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Skyboxer said:
Love em or hate em you have to respect the fact they came back and won. Yes the ratings will probably be less that they would have been with a Cubs vs Redsox series but I don't think the fans or players care about ratings.

I like how Boone said earlier Jeter told him "The ghosts will show up soon" Classic...

To the Redsox and their fans, Great season! You fought till the end and deserve alot of respect.

<hr /></blockquote> I don't think ratings will be that much different if it was cubs and red sox. It has more to do with the nature of baseball. I feel baseball fans are more loyal to their local teams than they would be to a team that is on the other side of the country. In Football and Basketball there is very little local loyalty to teams. I live in the NJ/NY area and most people are Lakers or anybody who Michael Jordan plays for, and Cowboy fans. Why i don't know. I think baseball is just what it is. cubs-sox yankees-marlins which would draw more? Who knows. But what i do know is the yankees wasn't there last yr. Giants-Angels and the ratings still sucked. Barry Bonds the best player in baseball couldn't even draw huge ratings. What in the hell makes anyone think that Cubs-Sox would make any difference.

**MrScary** · 10-17-2003, 07:02 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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dce1228 said:
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ortonius said:
That was about the sickest @#$*(&$%)(*ing thing that I have ever seen. And it wasn't even a Yankee who won the game for them. Boone is really a Reds player that was basically sold to the Yankees. Another WS bought by the Yankees...that's all it is. It's the sickest thing in sports today. It's a corruption of true sport.

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You know, I've given the Yanks crap for the 150million payroll before, but it became clear to me last night that the core of that team (the backbone of the club) is the homegrown guys... Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera and now Nick Johnson (I don't think Soriano is a player, sorry)... they're just of a different stock than the add-on guys.. Clemens, Mussina, Giambi..etc. Without that core of guys the Yanks developed, Steinbrenner's wallet wins them nothing. IMHO, no dynasty exists without a combination of a keen minor league system and the financial backing of a large market, but as the Mets show you, the money alone gets you nothing without the chemistry of a home-grown core. You can hate the yanks all you want, as I do, but they're incredible. And the money, while it certainly doesn't hurt, is not the whole story.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens.)

Good point. If Pedro is pathetic I'd hate to hear what Clemens is. Actually I'd love to hear it. Clemens should turn in his championship ring. This Yanks team won before he was there and as you saw last night, they win even when he does his best to ensure they don't.

<hr /></blockquote> I agree with your post 100 percent but let me add something: The Yankees spent more money than any team in the 80's and won NOTHING!!!

**MrScary** · 10-17-2003, 07:02 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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dce1228 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ortonius said:
That was about the sickest @#$*(&$%)(*ing thing that I have ever seen. And it wasn't even a Yankee who won the game for them. Boone is really a Reds player that was basically sold to the Yankees. Another WS bought by the Yankees...that's all it is. It's the sickest thing in sports today. It's a corruption of true sport.

<hr /></blockquote>

You know, I've given the Yanks crap for the 150million payroll before, but it became clear to me last night that the core of that team (the backbone of the club) is the homegrown guys... Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera and now Nick Johnson (I don't think Soriano is a player, sorry)... they're just of a different stock than the add-on guys.. Clemens, Mussina, Giambi..etc. Without that core of guys the Yanks developed, Steinbrenner's wallet wins them nothing. IMHO, no dynasty exists without a combination of a keen minor league system and the financial backing of a large market, but as the Mets show you, the money alone gets you nothing without the chemistry of a home-grown core. You can hate the yanks all you want, as I do, but they're incredible. And the money, while it certainly doesn't hurt, is not the whole story.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens.)

Good point. If Pedro is pathetic I'd hate to hear what Clemens is. Actually I'd love to hear it. Clemens should turn in his championship ring. This Yanks team won before he was there and as you saw last night, they win even when he does his best to ensure they don't.

<hr /></blockquote> I agree with your post 100 percent but let me add something: The Yankees spent more money than any team in the 80's and won NOTHING!!!

**MrScary** · 10-17-2003, 07:02 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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dce1228 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ortonius said:
That was about the sickest @#$*(&$%)(*ing thing that I have ever seen. And it wasn't even a Yankee who won the game for them. Boone is really a Reds player that was basically sold to the Yankees. Another WS bought by the Yankees...that's all it is. It's the sickest thing in sports today. It's a corruption of true sport.

<hr /></blockquote>

You know, I've given the Yanks crap for the 150million payroll before, but it became clear to me last night that the core of that team (the backbone of the club) is the homegrown guys... Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera and now Nick Johnson (I don't think Soriano is a player, sorry)... they're just of a different stock than the add-on guys.. Clemens, Mussina, Giambi..etc. Without that core of guys the Yanks developed, Steinbrenner's wallet wins them nothing. IMHO, no dynasty exists without a combination of a keen minor league system and the financial backing of a large market, but as the Mets show you, the money alone gets you nothing without the chemistry of a home-grown core. You can hate the yanks all you want, as I do, but they're incredible. And the money, while it certainly doesn't hurt, is not the whole story.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens.)

Good point. If Pedro is pathetic I'd hate to hear what Clemens is. Actually I'd love to hear it. Clemens should turn in his championship ring. This Yanks team won before he was there and as you saw last night, they win even when he does his best to ensure they don't.

<hr /></blockquote> I agree with your post 100 percent but let me add something: The Yankees spent more money than any team in the 80's and won NOTHING!!!

**Skyboxer** · 10-18-2003, 06:23 AM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
MrScary said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
dce1228 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ortonius said:
That was about the sickest @#$*(&$%)(*ing thing that I have ever seen. And it wasn't even a Yankee who won the game for them. Boone is really a Reds player that was basically sold to the Yankees. Another WS bought by the Yankees...that's all it is. It's the sickest thing in sports today. It's a corruption of true sport.

<hr /></blockquote>

You know, I've given the Yanks crap for the 150million payroll before, but it became clear to me last night that the core of that team (the backbone of the club) is the homegrown guys... Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera and now Nick Johnson (I don't think Soriano is a player, sorry)... they're just of a different stock than the add-on guys.. Clemens, Mussina, Giambi..etc. Without that core of guys the Yanks developed, Steinbrenner's wallet wins them nothing. IMHO, no dynasty exists without a combination of a keen minor league system and the financial backing of a large market, but as the Mets show you, the money alone gets you nothing without the chemistry of a home-grown core. You can hate the yanks all you want, as I do, but they're incredible. And the money, while it certainly doesn't hurt, is not the whole story.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens.)

Good point. If Pedro is pathetic I'd hate to hear what Clemens is. Actually I'd love to hear it. Clemens should turn in his championship ring. This Yanks team won before he was there and as you saw last night, they win even when he does his best to ensure they don't.

<hr /></blockquote> I agree with your post 100 percent but let me add something: The Yankees spent more money than any team in the 80's and won NOTHING!!!

<hr /></blockquote>

Exactly. How can you blame the $ when Boston had a 3 run lead with 5 outs to go.

As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

**Skyboxer** · 10-18-2003, 06:23 AM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
MrScary said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
dce1228 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ortonius said:
That was about the sickest @#$*(&$%)(*ing thing that I have ever seen. And it wasn't even a Yankee who won the game for them. Boone is really a Reds player that was basically sold to the Yankees. Another WS bought by the Yankees...that's all it is. It's the sickest thing in sports today. It's a corruption of true sport.

<hr /></blockquote>

You know, I've given the Yanks crap for the 150million payroll before, but it became clear to me last night that the core of that team (the backbone of the club) is the homegrown guys... Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera and now Nick Johnson (I don't think Soriano is a player, sorry)... they're just of a different stock than the add-on guys.. Clemens, Mussina, Giambi..etc. Without that core of guys the Yanks developed, Steinbrenner's wallet wins them nothing. IMHO, no dynasty exists without a combination of a keen minor league system and the financial backing of a large market, but as the Mets show you, the money alone gets you nothing without the chemistry of a home-grown core. You can hate the yanks all you want, as I do, but they're incredible. And the money, while it certainly doesn't hurt, is not the whole story.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens.)

Good point. If Pedro is pathetic I'd hate to hear what Clemens is. Actually I'd love to hear it. Clemens should turn in his championship ring. This Yanks team won before he was there and as you saw last night, they win even when he does his best to ensure they don't.

<hr /></blockquote> I agree with your post 100 percent but let me add something: The Yankees spent more money than any team in the 80's and won NOTHING!!!

<hr /></blockquote>

Exactly. How can you blame the $ when Boston had a 3 run lead with 5 outs to go.

As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

**Skyboxer** · 10-18-2003, 06:23 AM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
MrScary said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
dce1228 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ortonius said:
That was about the sickest @#$*(&$%)(*ing thing that I have ever seen. And it wasn't even a Yankee who won the game for them. Boone is really a Reds player that was basically sold to the Yankees. Another WS bought by the Yankees...that's all it is. It's the sickest thing in sports today. It's a corruption of true sport.

<hr /></blockquote>

You know, I've given the Yanks crap for the 150million payroll before, but it became clear to me last night that the core of that team (the backbone of the club) is the homegrown guys... Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera and now Nick Johnson (I don't think Soriano is a player, sorry)... they're just of a different stock than the add-on guys.. Clemens, Mussina, Giambi..etc. Without that core of guys the Yanks developed, Steinbrenner's wallet wins them nothing. IMHO, no dynasty exists without a combination of a keen minor league system and the financial backing of a large market, but as the Mets show you, the money alone gets you nothing without the chemistry of a home-grown core. You can hate the yanks all you want, as I do, but they're incredible. And the money, while it certainly doesn't hurt, is not the whole story.

(And, if Pedro was pathetic because he didn't pitch a CG in the playoffs, I'd hate to hear of how you rip Clemens.)

Good point. If Pedro is pathetic I'd hate to hear what Clemens is. Actually I'd love to hear it. Clemens should turn in his championship ring. This Yanks team won before he was there and as you saw last night, they win even when he does his best to ensure they don't.

<hr /></blockquote> I agree with your post 100 percent but let me add something: The Yankees spent more money than any team in the 80's and won NOTHING!!!

<hr /></blockquote>

Exactly. How can you blame the $ when Boston had a 3 run lead with 5 outs to go.

As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

**snowmizer** · 10-18-2003, 01:33 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

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Skyboxer said:
As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

<hr /></blockquote>

You make it sound like that scenario is equally likely.

Little wouldn't have faced that damning a scenario if the Red Sox lose after making a change because the whole world saw that Pedro was unhittable through the first six innings. Then, as he approaches 100-110 pitches, the Yankees started to hit the ball hard, and he was fortunate to get out of the seventh still having just given up two runs.

When recent history suggests that Timlin, Williamson, and Embree (along with Lowe and Wakefield) could easily manage to get six outs before giving up three runs, and with Pedro out of gas, the move was obvious to 99+% of the baseball-watching population.

That's the way Little handled the bullpen through the entire playoffs. Instead, he fails to lead, fails to make the 'tough' call of removing the ace, and the lead quickly disappears.

Then, Little makes no sense at the post-game press conference to anybody who's watched the team. Here's Bob Ryan's take:

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As bad as his decision was to leave Pedro in long enough to have the game tied, his explanation made things even worse.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring out of the bullpen," Grady declared.

The only problem with that statement is that it's not true.

Pedro has been given the Ming vase treatment, not only this year, but for the past three. He's a seven-inning pitcher who had thrown 100 pitches, the usual target number. In the big moment, Grady deviated from his normal procedure. And as for asking Pedro whether he wished to continue, who was Grady kidding. Every great pitcher, from Hoss Radbourn to Cy Young to Grover Cleveland Alexander to Bob Feller to Bob Gibson to Roger Clemens to, yes, Pedro Martinez, wants to stay in. The manager's job in this matter is to be the Bad Cop.

Washington Post columnist Thomas Boswell is a baseball maven and, I am proud to say, a friend of mine. Here is his take on the Grady/Pedro matter: "Earl Weaver told me a long time ago that leaving a guy in like that was `sentimental managing,' and you cannot do it in the postseason."

<hr /></blockquote>

**snowmizer** · 10-18-2003, 01:33 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyboxer said:
As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

<hr /></blockquote>

You make it sound like that scenario is equally likely.

Little wouldn't have faced that damning a scenario if the Red Sox lose after making a change because the whole world saw that Pedro was unhittable through the first six innings. Then, as he approaches 100-110 pitches, the Yankees started to hit the ball hard, and he was fortunate to get out of the seventh still having just given up two runs.

When recent history suggests that Timlin, Williamson, and Embree (along with Lowe and Wakefield) could easily manage to get six outs before giving up three runs, and with Pedro out of gas, the move was obvious to 99+% of the baseball-watching population.

That's the way Little handled the bullpen through the entire playoffs. Instead, he fails to lead, fails to make the 'tough' call of removing the ace, and the lead quickly disappears.

Then, Little makes no sense at the post-game press conference to anybody who's watched the team. Here's Bob Ryan's take:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
As bad as his decision was to leave Pedro in long enough to have the game tied, his explanation made things even worse.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring out of the bullpen," Grady declared.

The only problem with that statement is that it's not true.

Pedro has been given the Ming vase treatment, not only this year, but for the past three. He's a seven-inning pitcher who had thrown 100 pitches, the usual target number. In the big moment, Grady deviated from his normal procedure. And as for asking Pedro whether he wished to continue, who was Grady kidding. Every great pitcher, from Hoss Radbourn to Cy Young to Grover Cleveland Alexander to Bob Feller to Bob Gibson to Roger Clemens to, yes, Pedro Martinez, wants to stay in. The manager's job in this matter is to be the Bad Cop.

Washington Post columnist Thomas Boswell is a baseball maven and, I am proud to say, a friend of mine. Here is his take on the Grady/Pedro matter: "Earl Weaver told me a long time ago that leaving a guy in like that was `sentimental managing,' and you cannot do it in the postseason."

<hr /></blockquote>

**snowmizer** · 10-18-2003, 01:33 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyboxer said:
As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

<hr /></blockquote>

You make it sound like that scenario is equally likely.

Little wouldn't have faced that damning a scenario if the Red Sox lose after making a change because the whole world saw that Pedro was unhittable through the first six innings. Then, as he approaches 100-110 pitches, the Yankees started to hit the ball hard, and he was fortunate to get out of the seventh still having just given up two runs.

When recent history suggests that Timlin, Williamson, and Embree (along with Lowe and Wakefield) could easily manage to get six outs before giving up three runs, and with Pedro out of gas, the move was obvious to 99+% of the baseball-watching population.

That's the way Little handled the bullpen through the entire playoffs. Instead, he fails to lead, fails to make the 'tough' call of removing the ace, and the lead quickly disappears.

Then, Little makes no sense at the post-game press conference to anybody who's watched the team. Here's Bob Ryan's take:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
As bad as his decision was to leave Pedro in long enough to have the game tied, his explanation made things even worse.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring out of the bullpen," Grady declared.

The only problem with that statement is that it's not true.

Pedro has been given the Ming vase treatment, not only this year, but for the past three. He's a seven-inning pitcher who had thrown 100 pitches, the usual target number. In the big moment, Grady deviated from his normal procedure. And as for asking Pedro whether he wished to continue, who was Grady kidding. Every great pitcher, from Hoss Radbourn to Cy Young to Grover Cleveland Alexander to Bob Feller to Bob Gibson to Roger Clemens to, yes, Pedro Martinez, wants to stay in. The manager's job in this matter is to be the Bad Cop.

Washington Post columnist Thomas Boswell is a baseball maven and, I am proud to say, a friend of mine. Here is his take on the Grady/Pedro matter: "Earl Weaver told me a long time ago that leaving a guy in like that was `sentimental managing,' and you cannot do it in the postseason."

<hr /></blockquote>

**Skyboxer** · 10-19-2003, 09:36 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
snowmizer said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyboxer said:
As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

<hr /></blockquote>

You make it sound like that scenario is equally likely.

Little wouldn't have faced that damning a scenario if the Red Sox lose after making a change because the whole world saw that Pedro was unhittable through the first six innings. Then, as he approaches 100-110 pitches, the Yankees started to hit the ball hard, and he was fortunate to get out of the seventh still having just given up two runs.

When recent history suggests that Timlin, Williamson, and Embree (along with Lowe and Wakefield) could easily manage to get six outs before giving up three runs, and with Pedro out of gas, the move was obvious to 99+% of the baseball-watching population.

That's the way Little handled the bullpen through the entire playoffs. Instead, he fails to lead, fails to make the 'tough' call of removing the ace, and the lead quickly disappears.

Then, Little makes no sense at the post-game press conference to anybody who's watched the team. Here's Bob Ryan's take:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
As bad as his decision was to leave Pedro in long enough to have the game tied, his explanation made things even worse.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring out of the bullpen," Grady declared.

The only problem with that statement is that it's not true.

Pedro has been given the Ming vase treatment, not only this year, but for the past three. He's a seven-inning pitcher who had thrown 100 pitches, the usual target number. In the big moment, Grady deviated from his normal procedure. And as for asking Pedro whether he wished to continue, who was Grady kidding. Every great pitcher, from Hoss Radbourn to Cy Young to Grover Cleveland Alexander to Bob Feller to Bob Gibson to Roger Clemens to, yes, Pedro Martinez, wants to stay in. The manager's job in this matter is to be the Bad Cop.

Washington Post columnist Thomas Boswell is a baseball maven and, I am proud to say, a friend of mine. Here is his take on the Grady/Pedro matter: "Earl Weaver told me a long time ago that leaving a guy in like that was `sentimental managing,' and you cannot do it in the postseason."

<hr /></blockquote>

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Uh...No. I said IF he takes out Pedro and the Yanks win he is screamed at for taking him out. As for History: Remember Clemons being taken out in 86??? Mets came back and won and coach was second guessed because he took his ace out.

**Skyboxer** · 10-19-2003, 09:36 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
snowmizer said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyboxer said:
As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

<hr /></blockquote>

You make it sound like that scenario is equally likely.

Little wouldn't have faced that damning a scenario if the Red Sox lose after making a change because the whole world saw that Pedro was unhittable through the first six innings. Then, as he approaches 100-110 pitches, the Yankees started to hit the ball hard, and he was fortunate to get out of the seventh still having just given up two runs.

When recent history suggests that Timlin, Williamson, and Embree (along with Lowe and Wakefield) could easily manage to get six outs before giving up three runs, and with Pedro out of gas, the move was obvious to 99+% of the baseball-watching population.

That's the way Little handled the bullpen through the entire playoffs. Instead, he fails to lead, fails to make the 'tough' call of removing the ace, and the lead quickly disappears.

Then, Little makes no sense at the post-game press conference to anybody who's watched the team. Here's Bob Ryan's take:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
As bad as his decision was to leave Pedro in long enough to have the game tied, his explanation made things even worse.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring out of the bullpen," Grady declared.

The only problem with that statement is that it's not true.

Pedro has been given the Ming vase treatment, not only this year, but for the past three. He's a seven-inning pitcher who had thrown 100 pitches, the usual target number. In the big moment, Grady deviated from his normal procedure. And as for asking Pedro whether he wished to continue, who was Grady kidding. Every great pitcher, from Hoss Radbourn to Cy Young to Grover Cleveland Alexander to Bob Feller to Bob Gibson to Roger Clemens to, yes, Pedro Martinez, wants to stay in. The manager's job in this matter is to be the Bad Cop.

Washington Post columnist Thomas Boswell is a baseball maven and, I am proud to say, a friend of mine. Here is his take on the Grady/Pedro matter: "Earl Weaver told me a long time ago that leaving a guy in like that was `sentimental managing,' and you cannot do it in the postseason."

<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>

Uh...No. I said IF he takes out Pedro and the Yanks win he is screamed at for taking him out. As for History: Remember Clemons being taken out in 86??? Mets came back and won and coach was second guessed because he took his ace out.

**Skyboxer** · 10-19-2003, 09:36 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
snowmizer said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyboxer said:
As for Little. He was in a no win situation. If he takes Pedro out and the Yanks win then he is an idiot for taking out the best pitcher they have with the game on the line.

<hr /></blockquote>

You make it sound like that scenario is equally likely.

Little wouldn't have faced that damning a scenario if the Red Sox lose after making a change because the whole world saw that Pedro was unhittable through the first six innings. Then, as he approaches 100-110 pitches, the Yankees started to hit the ball hard, and he was fortunate to get out of the seventh still having just given up two runs.

When recent history suggests that Timlin, Williamson, and Embree (along with Lowe and Wakefield) could easily manage to get six outs before giving up three runs, and with Pedro out of gas, the move was obvious to 99+% of the baseball-watching population.

That's the way Little handled the bullpen through the entire playoffs. Instead, he fails to lead, fails to make the 'tough' call of removing the ace, and the lead quickly disappears.

Then, Little makes no sense at the post-game press conference to anybody who's watched the team. Here's Bob Ryan's take:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
As bad as his decision was to leave Pedro in long enough to have the game tied, his explanation made things even worse.

"Pedro Martinez has been our man all year long and in situations like that, he's the one we want on the mound over anybody we can bring out of the bullpen," Grady declared.

The only problem with that statement is that it's not true.

Pedro has been given the Ming vase treatment, not only this year, but for the past three. He's a seven-inning pitcher who had thrown 100 pitches, the usual target number. In the big moment, Grady deviated from his normal procedure. And as for asking Pedro whether he wished to continue, who was Grady kidding. Every great pitcher, from Hoss Radbourn to Cy Young to Grover Cleveland Alexander to Bob Feller to Bob Gibson to Roger Clemens to, yes, Pedro Martinez, wants to stay in. The manager's job in this matter is to be the Bad Cop.

Washington Post columnist Thomas Boswell is a baseball maven and, I am proud to say, a friend of mine. Here is his take on the Grady/Pedro matter: "Earl Weaver told me a long time ago that leaving a guy in like that was `sentimental managing,' and you cannot do it in the postseason."

<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>

Uh...No. I said IF he takes out Pedro and the Yanks win he is screamed at for taking him out. As for History: Remember Clemons being taken out in 86??? Mets came back and won and coach was second guessed because he took his ace out.

**snowmizer** · 10-19-2003, 10:34 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

No kidding he gets screamed at, if they lose, no matter if it's the most brilliant managing ever. That's the nature of sports.

But Clemens was having little trouble when he got replaced in '86. And Pedro was lucky to escape the seventh and was left in in '03, despite being at the upper-end of his nightly pitch count.

Neither move qualifies as brilliant. Each manager chose the inferior strategy.

**snowmizer** · 10-19-2003, 10:34 PM

Re: Yankees/Red Sox Game 7 Thread

No kidding he gets screamed at, if they lose, no matter if it's the most brilliant managing ever. That's the nature of sports.

But Clemens was having little trouble when he got replaced in '86. And Pedro was lucky to escape the seventh and was left in in '03, despite being at the upper-end of his nightly pitch count.

Neither move qualifies as brilliant. Each manager chose the inferior strategy.

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