Jeff Weaver?????

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

Sounds a little like Dennis Tankersley to me. And I can't believe some Padres fans want to trade Klesko for him , we've got enough bad pitchers.

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.

Anyways, watching Weaver pitch this season, he had couple of problems that could be taken care of. He ussually gets killed and majority of his HRS come off the hanging curve. He's been advised to keep away from it because most of the times he keeps it up instead of low. All he needs to do, is keep the ball down at all cost, but I guess that advice is given to all pitchers. His attitude on the mound needs to change ASAP. That's the first thing he needs to do to have any success. Everytime he gives up a hit, it's like he just gave up a homer. He fumes at the mound everytime a grounder goes through the IF. What he needs to do is tip his cap to that batter, and go after the next hitter, because most of times he is so angry, he hangs a pitch to the next batter, and boom, it's gone. Same idea if there is an error made on the behalf of his teammates.
Also, it's been sayed that whenever he is about to throw one of his pitches(changeup), he slows down or does something differently than as opposed when he throws the fastball. The hitters pick that up right away.
And lastly, if he gets into a jam, expect to see some runs put up on the board, because he looses his cool and tries to overpower the hitter, which in the end never works.
And I can recall at least one great game from him in a batters park, which was in Fenway, when Hammond gave up the 3-run homer to Varitek, to tie the game. Of course, Weaver's emotions were running high in the dugout after that homerun.
Jeff Weaver needs to stay consistent, and not give into the pressure, because it's always going to be there no matter what.

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.

Anyways, watching Weaver pitch this season, he had couple of problems that could be taken care of. He ussually gets killed and majority of his HRS come off the hanging curve. He's been advised to keep away from it because most of the times he keeps it up instead of low. All he needs to do, is keep the ball down at all cost, but I guess that advice is given to all pitchers. His attitude on the mound needs to change ASAP. That's the first thing he needs to do to have any success. Everytime he gives up a hit, it's like he just gave up a homer. He fumes at the mound everytime a grounder goes through the IF. What he needs to do is tip his cap to that batter, and go after the next hitter, because most of times he is so angry, he hangs a pitch to the next batter, and boom, it's gone. Same idea if there is an error made on the behalf of his teammates.
Also, it's been sayed that whenever he is about to throw one of his pitches(changeup), he slows down or does something differently than as opposed when he throws the fastball. The hitters pick that up right away.
And lastly, if he gets into a jam, expect to see some runs put up on the board, because he looses his cool and tries to overpower the hitter, which in the end never works.
And I can recall at least one great game from him in a batters park, which was in Fenway, when Hammond gave up the 3-run homer to Varitek, to tie the game. Of course, Weaver's emotions were running high in the dugout after that homerun.
Jeff Weaver needs to stay consistent, and not give into the pressure, because it's always going to be there no matter what.

[AI_Franchise03]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.

Anyways, watching Weaver pitch this season, he had couple of problems that could be taken care of. He ussually gets killed and majority of his HRS come off the hanging curve. He's been advised to keep away from it because most of the times he keeps it up instead of low. All he needs to do, is keep the ball down at all cost, but I guess that advice is given to all pitchers. His attitude on the mound needs to change ASAP. That's the first thing he needs to do to have any success. Everytime he gives up a hit, it's like he just gave up a homer. He fumes at the mound everytime a grounder goes through the IF. What he needs to do is tip his cap to that batter, and go after the next hitter, because most of times he is so angry, he hangs a pitch to the next batter, and boom, it's gone. Same idea if there is an error made on the behalf of his teammates.
Also, it's been sayed that whenever he is about to throw one of his pitches(changeup), he slows down or does something differently than as opposed when he throws the fastball. The hitters pick that up right away.
And lastly, if he gets into a jam, expect to see some runs put up on the board, because he looses his cool and tries to overpower the hitter, which in the end never works.
And I can recall at least one great game from him in a batters park, which was in Fenway, when Hammond gave up the 3-run homer to Varitek, to tie the game. Of course, Weaver's emotions were running high in the dugout after that homerun.
Jeff Weaver needs to stay consistent, and not give into the pressure, because it's always going to be there no matter what.

[dieselboy]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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AI_Franchise03 said:
I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.


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ALL I repeat, ALL he throws is his fastball.

He has other pitches, I beleive, but he never mixes them up. If he did, he would be a great pitcher, but he just doesn't.

[dieselboy]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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AI_Franchise03 said:
I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.


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ALL I repeat, ALL he throws is his fastball.

He has other pitches, I beleive, but he never mixes them up. If he did, he would be a great pitcher, but he just doesn't.

[dieselboy]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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AI_Franchise03 said:
I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.


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ALL I repeat, ALL he throws is his fastball.

He has other pitches, I beleive, but he never mixes them up. If he did, he would be a great pitcher, but he just doesn't.

[samjjones]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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yanks1 said:
I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

[samjjones]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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yanks1 said:
I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

[samjjones]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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yanks1 said:
I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

[yanks1]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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samjjones said:
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yanks1 said:
I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

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LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

[yanks1]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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samjjones said:
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yanks1 said:
I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

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LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

[yanks1]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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samjjones said:
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yanks1 said:
I've got a question. Did any of you actually ever watch Weaver this year and last year? I'd love to see this "great stuff" he supposedly has. Just cause you throw hard, which Weaver doesn't throw THAT hard, doesn't mean you'll ever be a good pitcher. Take Armando Benitez for example, I think we'd all agree that he's absolutely terrible.

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I don't believe that Benitez is "terrible". Is he a clutch pitcher? No. But look at his regular season stats for the past 5 years and you'll see that he is one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball.

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LOL, I love what you just said. Wow, the guy can get the Brewers out in a game that doesn't matter- I'm sooo impressed. Are you one of those people who makes the argument (entirely based on regular season numbers) that Benitez is as good or better than Mariano. You wouldn't believe how many Mets fans say that on Mike and the Maddog. A closer is supposed to get people out and shut the door in IMPORTANT games. Benitez has blown every important game I've ever seen him pitch in. The fact of the matter is that he can't get good teams out cause he sucks. And by the way, he does throw a splitter, and that's part of his problem. It doesn't do anything and hitters crush it.

[yanks1]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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AI_Franchise03 said:
I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.

Anyways, watching Weaver pitch this season, he had couple of problems that could be taken care of. He ussually gets killed and majority of his HRS come off the hanging curve. He's been advised to keep away from it because most of the times he keeps it up instead of low. All he needs to do, is keep the ball down at all cost, but I guess that advice is given to all pitchers. His attitude on the mound needs to change ASAP. That's the first thing he needs to do to have any success. Everytime he gives up a hit, it's like he just gave up a homer. He fumes at the mound everytime a grounder goes through the IF. What he needs to do is tip his cap to that batter, and go after the next hitter, because most of times he is so angry, he hangs a pitch to the next batter, and boom, it's gone. Same idea if there is an error made on the behalf of his teammates.
Also, it's been sayed that whenever he is about to throw one of his pitches(changeup), he slows down or does something differently than as opposed when he throws the fastball. The hitters pick that up right away.
And lastly, if he gets into a jam, expect to see some runs put up on the board, because he looses his cool and tries to overpower the hitter, which in the end never works.
And I can recall at least one great game from him in a batters park, which was in Fenway, when Hammond gave up the 3-run homer to Varitek, to tie the game. Of course, Weaver's emotions were running high in the dugout after that homerun.
Jeff Weaver needs to stay consistent, and not give into the pressure, because it's always going to be there no matter what.

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AI, what qualifies as "great" stuff then? If you throw hard and are accurate, you're said to have a "great" arm. If you throw slow, unaccurate, and can't make it to second base from shallow center field, you have a rag arm- in other words, your name is Bernie Williams, lol. Back to Weaver, you pretty much said that if Weaver changes EVERYTHING about the way he pitches, he'll do OK. It's kinda like Karim Garcia. The guys has one good month in his life, and now he's the next Barry Bonds. Don't you think it's a little odd that Cleveland of all places, would let him go if he's so great? I think he's a Shane Spencer type, he shows you he can play once, but can't ever replicate the performance. Weaver ISN'T the type of guy the Yankees like to have on their team. He's a whining little kid who stomps around on the mound and blames his teammates when they make an error. I don't get how anyone can defend the guy. At least Michael Kay and Jim Kaat are being PAYED by the Yankees- so they can't say anything bad about him. I'll say it again, Jeff Weaver pitched in a pitcher's park, and he still didn't do great. Hopefully the Tigers will want him back and we'll somehow get Lilly from the A's, cause Lilly WILL be a great pitcher some day.

[yanks1]

Re: Jeff Weaver?????

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AI_Franchise03 said:
I don't consider Armando to have great stuff. Just because you have a high 90's fastball, doesn't qualify as "great stuff". At least not in my opinion. Does he even have any breaking balls? I could sworn all he thows is the fastball, and on ocassions the changeup.

Anyways, watching Weaver pitch this season, he had couple of problems that could be taken care of. He ussually gets killed and majority of his HRS come off the hanging curve. He's been advised to keep away from it because most of the times he keeps it up instead of low. All he needs to do, is keep the ball down at all cost, but I guess that advice is given to all pitchers. His attitude on the mound needs to change ASAP. That's the first thing he needs to do to have any success. Everytime he gives up a hit, it's like he just gave up a homer. He fumes at the mound everytime a grounder goes through the IF. What he needs to do is tip his cap to that batter, and go after the next hitter, because most of times he is so angry, he hangs a pitch to the next batter, and boom, it's gone. Same idea if there is an error made on the behalf of his teammates.
Also, it's been sayed that whenever he is about to throw one of his pitches(changeup), he slows down or does something differently than as opposed when he throws the fastball. The hitters pick that up right away.
And lastly, if he gets into a jam, expect to see some runs put up on the board, because he looses his cool and tries to overpower the hitter, which in the end never works.
And I can recall at least one great game from him in a batters park, which was in Fenway, when Hammond gave up the 3-run homer to Varitek, to tie the game. Of course, Weaver's emotions were running high in the dugout after that homerun.
Jeff Weaver needs to stay consistent, and not give into the pressure, because it's always going to be there no matter what.

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AI, what qualifies as "great" stuff then? If you throw hard and are accurate, you're said to have a "great" arm. If you throw slow, unaccurate, and can't make it to second base from shallow center field, you have a rag arm- in other words, your name is Bernie Williams, lol. Back to Weaver, you pretty much said that if Weaver changes EVERYTHING about the way he pitches, he'll do OK. It's kinda like Karim Garcia. The guys has one good month in his life, and now he's the next Barry Bonds. Don't you think it's a little odd that Cleveland of all places, would let him go if he's so great? I think he's a Shane Spencer type, he shows you he can play once, but can't ever replicate the performance. Weaver ISN'T the type of guy the Yankees like to have on their team. He's a whining little kid who stomps around on the mound and blames his teammates when they make an error. I don't get how anyone can defend the guy. At least Michael Kay and Jim Kaat are being PAYED by the Yankees- so they can't say anything bad about him. I'll say it again, Jeff Weaver pitched in a pitcher's park, and he still didn't do great. Hopefully the Tigers will want him back and we'll somehow get Lilly from the A's, cause Lilly WILL be a great pitcher some day.