Barry Larkin inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame

[SlimKibbles]

Re: Barry Larkin inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame

This was pretty cool to see.

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[kayfngee]

Re: Barry Larkin inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame

Growing up in Kentucky, I watched Larkin many times at Cinergy and Great American ballparks, a truly fantastic player that deserved to get in the first year, but better late then never. Congrats Lark.

Bagwell should be next, When healthy he was a terror, It's amazing how he kept his numbers pretty consistent wit how hard he swung.

Please don't refer to Riverfront Stadium as Cinergy.

[Perfect Zero]

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Barry Larkin should have been in before this, but well deserved none-the-less. Bagwell should have been in this time, but I guess everybody's going to be "punished" for some reason.

It's sad to see Juan Gonzalez and Ruben Sierra being pushed off the ballot as they are some of my favorite Rangers. They'll have to settle for the Texas Rangers Hall of Fame.

[ImTellinTim]

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Well-deserved for Larkin. Nice to see him get in.

Here's how basically every analyist is covering this, and it irks me a bit.

"Barry Larkin has been inducted to the Hall of Fame. *Clip of Barry Larkin being classy Barry Larkin* Oh, btw, Ron Santo was voted in posthumously by the Vets Comittee. BUT ZOMG BARRY BONDS AND ROGER CLEMENS ARE ON THE BALLOT NEXT YEAR! WE CAN'T WAIT TO WRING OUR HANDS AND PONTIFICATE OVER THIS!"

[jake44np]

Re: Barry Larkin inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame

Well-deserved for Larkin. Nice to see him get in.

Here's how basically every analyist is covering this, and it irks me a bit.

"Barry Larkin has been inducted to the Hall of Fame. *Clip of Barry Larkin being classy Barry Larkin* Oh, btw, Ron Santo was voted in posthumously by the Vets Comittee. BUT ZOMG BARRY BONDS AND ROGER CLEMENS ARE ON THE BALLOT NEXT YEAR! WE CAN'T WAIT TO WRING OUR HANDS AND PONTIFICATE OVER THIS!"

I have seen and read a million things on Larkin getting in (lifetime Reds fan) and i havent heard Bonds or Clemens named mentioned once. Not sure what you have been watching or reading.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

Congrats to Larkin. He was my first favorite baseball player and it was a pleasure to watch him year after year in Cincinnati.


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[24]

Re: Barry Larkin inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame

Player A 16 seasons

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Player B 20 seasons

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Spoiler

Player A is Bernie Williams, Player B is Barry Larkin

[DrJones]

Re: Barry Larkin inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame

Player A 16 seasons

Hits 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG<table class="sortable stats_table row_summable" id="batting_standard"><tfoot><tr data-row="25" class="stat_total"><td align="right">2336</td> <td align="right">449</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="right">287</td> <td align="right">1257</td> <td align="right">147</td> <td align="right">87</td> <td align="right">1069</td> <td align="right">1212</td> <td align="right">.297</td> <td align="right">.381</td> <td align="right">.477</td></tr></tfoot></table>
Player B 20 seasons

Hits 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG<table style="width: 447px; height: 27px;" class="sortable stats_table row_summable" id="batting_standard"><tfoot><tr data-row="22" class="stat_total"><td align="right">2340</td> <td align="right">441</td> <td align="right">76</td> <td align="right">198</td> <td align="right">960</td> <td align="right">379</td> <td align="right">77</td> <td align="right">939</td> <td align="right">817</td> <td align="right">.295</td> <td align="right">.371</td> <td align="right">.444</td></tr></tfoot></table>

Spoiler

Player A is Bernie Williams, Player B is Barry Larkin

Here's a spoiler: Position matters a lot. If Bernie was an quality defensive SS with those offensive numbers, he'd be going to the HoF as well.

[Perfect Zero]

Re: Barry Larkin inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame

Player A 16 seasons

Hits 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG<table class="sortable stats_table row_summable" id="batting_standard"><tfoot><tr data-row="25" class="stat_total"><td align="right">2336</td> <td align="right">449</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="right">287</td> <td align="right">1257</td> <td align="right">147</td> <td align="right">87</td> <td align="right">1069</td> <td align="right">1212</td> <td align="right">.297</td> <td align="right">.381</td> <td align="right">.477</td></tr></tfoot></table>
Player B 20 seasons

Hits 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG<table style="width: 447px; height: 27px;" class="sortable stats_table row_summable" id="batting_standard"><tfoot><tr data-row="22" class="stat_total"><td align="right">2340</td> <td align="right">441</td> <td align="right">76</td> <td align="right">198</td> <td align="right">960</td> <td align="right">379</td> <td align="right">77</td> <td align="right">939</td> <td align="right">817</td> <td align="right">.295</td> <td align="right">.371</td> <td align="right">.444</td></tr></tfoot></table>

Spoiler

Player A is Bernie Williams, Player B is Barry Larkin

Even though I don't like the team, I don't disagree with this.

[ImTellinTim]

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I have seen and read a million things on Larkin getting in (lifetime Reds fan) and i havent heard Bonds or Clemens named mentioned once. Not sure what you have been watching or reading.

You're right. I should have said "ESPN analyst". I'm so swamped at work the only exposure I've gotten so far is last night/this morning on sports radio. Haven't really gotten into reading any articles yet.

[Mo]

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You're right. I should have said "ESPN analyst". I'm so swamped at work the only exposure I've gotten so far is last night/this morning on sports radio. Haven't really gotten into reading any articles yet.

It was on MLB Network as well. And even on the MLB site right next to the Larkin story.

Also you forgot Sammy is on the list for next year as well

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Re: Barry Larkin inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame

Here's a spoiler: Position matters a lot. If Bernie was an quality defensive SS with those offensive numbers, he'd be going to the HoF as well.

But it shouldn't matter the position that he played. Bernie Williams was a better player than Barry Larkin. He put up better stats in nearly every offensive category, Won more Gold Gloves,He was one of the main reasons the Yankees won the 4 titles and put up fantastic postseason numbers. He did this all in 4 less seasons than Barry Larkin did but just because Bernie plays center field was one of the main reason's he did not get in.

[DrJones]

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But it shouldn't matter the position that he played. Bernie Williams was a better player than Barry Larkin. He put up better stats in nearly every offensive category, Won more Gold Gloves,He was one of the main reasons the Yankees won the 4 titles and put up fantastic postseason numbers. He did this all in 4 less seasons than Barry Larkin did but just because Bernie plays center field was one of the main reason's he did not get in.

That's not how it works, though. Offence from SS is more rare and therefore more valuable. Larkin won nine Silver Sluggers to Bernie's one. If GMs were given the choice of a SS or CF with roughly equal defensive prowess and similar offensive numbers, they'll take the SS 100% of the time.

There are lots of players with better raw offensive numbers than Larkin or Williams who will never make the Hall. You're judged how you stack up to other players at your position, otherwise they'd have to rename it The Hall of First Basemen and Corner Outfielders. Larry Walker had more Gold Gloves than Bernie, was a better baserunner, and even his non-Coors offensive stats are better than Williams. But he's not getting a sniff, either.

On the other hand, I'm sure you're pleased that Jorge Posada likely will make the Hall of Fame someday because his offensive numbers are outstanding by catcher standards.

[snepp]

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But it shouldn't matter the position that he played.

You should have just stopped right there, it automatically invalidated anything that you had to say.

[Perfect Zero]

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...Won more Gold Gloves...

Ugh... just because a player wins a Gold Glove, it doesn't mean that he's a great fielder at that position. Take a look at Michael Young for goodness sake.