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  • DamnYanks2
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jun 2007
    • 20794

    #46
    Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

    Originally posted by Perfect Zero
    How is this hard to understand?

    HE IS AN ADDICT

    No amount of drinking is going to solve personal problems. No amount of drinking is going to bring Shannon Stone back to life. No amount of drinking is going to help a recovering alcoholic. He has to be held accountable to his team, to the fanbase, and to all the people he has ever spoken to.
    There's nothing to understand, and why the caps? I'm just saying he made a mistake, he is an alcoholic, he had a slip up. It doesn't make him weak, it makes him human. And he's had alot of hell happen to him, so to me it's understandable. I'm don't understand the OMG Hamilton is losing to his demons, let's pray for him and watch him closely concept. He has inner demons, and sometimes they come out, and he understands he made a mistake, so why chastise him?

    Your right alcohol doesn't take the pain away, just temporarily. But I can't fault a man with all his problems, from slipping up, nobody is perfect.

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    • ImTellinTim
      YNWA
      • Sep 2006
      • 33028

      #47
      Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

      Originally posted by DamnYanks2
      There's nothing to understand, and why the caps? I'm just saying he made a mistake, he is an alcoholic, he had a slip up. It doesn't make him weak, it makes him human. And he's had alot of hell happen to him, so to me it's understandable. I'm don't understand the OMG Hamilton is losing to his demons, let's pray for him and watch him closely concept. He has inner demons, and sometimes they come out, and he understands he made a mistake, so why chastise him?

      Your right alcohol doesn't take the pain away, just temporarily. But I can't fault a man with all his problems, from slipping up, nobody is perfect.
      Unfortunately for Hamilton, he's in the middle of extension negotiations, so these things do kind of matter to the Rangers and their fans.

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      • DamnYanks2
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jun 2007
        • 20794

        #48
        Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

        Originally posted by ImTellinTim
        Unfortunately for Hamilton, he's in the middle of extension negotiations, so these things do kind of matter to the Rangers and their fans.
        Well yea, that makes sense, but I think he has displayed enough character, and has really shown a complete turnaround from his wild days that warrants a pass in this situation. It's not as if he was drugged out and out of his mind with syringes poking out of his arms. Dude just had a bad night and he gave in, it happens. There's no need for people to be on their moral high horse, and point to the fact that he's relapsing, I would hope that he has learned his lesson. I don't have a tracking device for Hamilton, and I have no idea what he does in his free time, but I believe he's turned for the good, which is why he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

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        • Perfect Zero
          1B, OF
          • Jun 2005
          • 4012

          #49
          Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

          Originally posted by DamnYanks2
          There's nothing to understand, and why the caps? I'm just saying he made a mistake, he is an alcoholic, he had a slip up. It doesn't make him weak, it makes him human. And he's had alot of hell happen to him, so to me it's understandable. I'm don't understand the OMG Hamilton is losing to his demons, let's pray for him and watch him closely concept. He has inner demons, and sometimes they come out, and he understands he made a mistake, so why chastise him?

          Your right alcohol doesn't take the pain away, just temporarily. But I can't fault a man with all his problems, from slipping up, nobody is perfect.
          I don't think anybody is losing their mind over this at all. From my perspective, he has to keep away from the alcohol period. Every time he goes back, it just makes it that much harder to excuse him or to trust him. He does have a lot of issues, but alcohol doesn't "temporarily" make the pain go away, it just adds onto his problems.

          He is an alcoholic now and he always will be. It's the choices he makes though that will define what happens in the future. What can we expect in this next offseason, or the one after that? There are no excuses anymore; he has to step up to the plate and deliver. If he keeps falling off, the organization needs to take a serious look into what teams could use a starting left fielder.

          Originally posted by DamnYanks2
          I would hope that he has learned his lesson. I don't have a tracking device for Hamilton, and I have no idea what he does in his free time, but I believe he's turned for the good, which is why he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
          I would have hoped he would have learned his lesson in Arizona in 2009, but obviously he can't be trusted in this. I'm tired of the "benefit of the doubt," an alcoholic will continue to burn you if you put absolute trust into him. That's a cold hard lesson that I've learned in life, and this incident reinforces it.
          Last edited by Perfect Zero; 02-03-2012, 04:27 PM. Reason: Edited to respont to recent post.
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          • DaveDQ
            13
            • Sep 2003
            • 7664

            #50
            Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

            Only Hamilton knows what drinking and drug abuse does to him. Perhaps his family and those close to him too, but only he can go deep down and really investigate himself as to why he goes back to it, knowing the negative consequences it brings. That's the battle with addiction. You see how awful it is, yet you are so addicted you keep going back.

            Not just for him, but for those out there that struggle and just can't quit, I feel deeply for them. There are many addicts that despise what their weakness does to them, yet they give in because of the stronghold it has.

            It truly cripples a man.
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            • DamnYanks2
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jun 2007
              • 20794

              #51
              Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

              Originally posted by Perfect Zero
              I don't think anybody is losing their mind over this at all. From my perspective, he has to keep away from the alcohol period. Every time he goes back, it just makes it that much harder to excuse him or to trust him. He does have a lot of issues, but alcohol doesn't "temporarily" make the pain go away, it just adds onto his problems.

              He is an alcoholic now and he always will be. It's the choices he makes though that will define what happens in the future. What can we expect in this next offseason, or the one after that? There are no excuses anymore; he has to step up to the plate and deliver. If he keeps falling off, the organization needs to take a serious look into what teams could use a starting left fielder.



              I would have hoped he would have learned his lesson in Arizona in 2009, but obviously he can't be trusted in this. I'm tired of the "benefit of the doubt," an alcoholic will continue to burn you if you put absolute trust into him. That's a cold hard lesson that I've learned in life, and this incident reinforces it.
              That's just the impression I got, obviously you've lost all trust in athletes, and hell... who could blame you. I can't change your opinion, and I'm not trying too. All I'm saying is I think it's completely understandable that he slipped up, he brought alot of hell on himself, and that's completely his fault. But there are plenty of other things that have happened to him that are not his fault, and I think that ultimately lead him to the bar. And I understand it, and drinking and getting high does ease your mind temporarily, not saying that's right, but I think he needed something to calm him, and I just hope he can find peace. I'm sure his mind just eats him up sometimes.

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              • sweny5632
                Rookie
                • Feb 2004
                • 217

                #52
                Originally posted by Perfect Zero
                I don't think anybody is losing their mind over this at all. From my perspective, he has to keep away from the alcohol period. Every time he goes back, it just makes it that much harder to excuse him or to trust him. He does have a lot of issues, but alcohol doesn't "temporarily" make the pain go away, it just adds onto his problems.

                He is an alcoholic now and he always will be. It's the choices he makes though that will define what happens in the future. What can we expect in this next offseason, or the one after that? There are no excuses anymore; he has to step up to the plate and deliver. If he keeps falling off, the organization needs to take a serious look into what teams could use a starting left fielder.



                I would have hoped he would have learned his lesson in Arizona in 2009, but obviously he can't be trusted in this. I'm tired of the "benefit of the doubt," an alcoholic will continue to burn you if you put absolute trust into him. That's a cold hard lesson that I've learned in life, and this incident reinforces it.
                I think you are losing sight in what is most important in this all and that's hamiltons life and well being, not the rangers, not baseball and certainly not whether you trust him to be the rangers starting left fielder
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                • Perfect Zero
                  1B, OF
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 4012

                  #53
                  Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

                  Originally posted by sweny5632
                  I think you are losing sight in what is most important in this all and that's hamiltons life and well being, not the rangers, not baseball and certainly not whether you trust him to be the rangers starting left fielder
                  Don't get me wrong, I agree that the most important thing is Hamilton's recovery and his family. I have no doubt that he can play left field for now. However, these issues are still there. I care about Hamilton and his family, but I also care about a team that I'm invested in. Right now, we can't trust him at all. The organization has taken many steps to help him along the way, but there's only so much they can do; he has to step up. If he can't, the Rangers need to look for help elsewhere; it's as simple as that.

                  Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                  And I understand it, and drinking and getting high does ease your mind temporarily, not saying that's right, but I think he needed something to calm him, and I just hope he can find peace. I'm sure his mind just eats him up sometimes.
                  There can be no excuses for an alcoholic. All they will do is turn it into their favor. The Rangers need to reenforce this to Hamilton.
                  Last edited by Perfect Zero; 02-03-2012, 05:10 PM.
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                  • ubernoob
                    ****
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 15522

                    #54
                    There's a surprising amount of ignorance in this thread.

                    The one and only thing I'll say in here is this: Good luck with the personal demons Mr. Hamilton. You have plenty of people in your corner, use that support system to its fullest.

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                    • DamnYanks2
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 20794

                      #55
                      Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

                      Originally posted by Perfect Zero
                      Don't get me wrong, I agree that the most important thing is Hamilton's recovery and his family. I have no doubt that he can play left field for now. However, these issues are still there. I care about Hamilton and his family, but I also care about a team that I'm invested in. Right now, we can't trust him at all. The organization has taken many steps to help him along the way, but there's only so much they can do; he has to step up. If he can't, the Rangers need to look for help elsewhere; it's as simple as that.



                      There can be no excuses for an alcoholic. All they will do is turn it into their favor. The Rangers need to reenforce this to Hamilton.
                      You seem to have spent alot of time with alcoholics and know their patterns. Just an observation. I don't think there's much to worry about here, but I'll just leave it at that, not much more to add.

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                      • mwjr
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 1393

                        #56
                        Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

                        Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                        You seem to have spent alot of time with alcoholics and know their patterns. Just an observation. I don't think there's much to worry about here, but I'll just leave it at that, not much more to add.
                        It's a different situation from person to person, but someone with Hamilton's history needs be VERY careful.

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                        • DamnYanks2
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 20794

                          #57
                          Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

                          Originally posted by mwjr
                          It's a different situation from person to person, but someone with Hamilton's history needs be VERY careful.
                          Completely Agree.

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                          • NYJets
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 18637

                            #58
                            Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

                            Originally posted by sweny5632
                            I think you are losing sight in what is most important in this all and that's hamiltons life and well being, not the rangers, not baseball and certainly not whether you trust him to be the rangers starting left fielder

                            Yea.

                            But there's lots of people in the world who struggle with drugs and alcohol. The only reason anyone on here knows or cares about this person's story is because of baseball. So it's more than fair to talk about the baseball aspect of it.
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                            • Drewski
                              Basketball Reasons
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 3783

                              #59
                              Not a baseball head but living in the DFW Metroplex hard not to know Hamiltons situation. Very tough to suppress demons and breathing life into them is enough to tear down everything that one has worked so hard for. I've never had to put down anything I could consider myself addicted and dependent upon, but I think everyone has had to walk away from things they love and enjoy. I imagine putting down an addiction is that x 1000.

                              Good luck to him and the organization on trying to stabilize this situation.

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                              • tvman
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 1392

                                #60
                                Re: Josh Hamilton Drinking Again

                                In case your reading this Josh.... here's to you

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