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  • Mr_October
    MVP
    • Mar 2003
    • 1618

    #46
    Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

    The only reason Vina wasn't picked up again is because he was due around a $4.5 Million for next year. And that's alot to give to a guy who hasn't exactly produced in the final years of his contract. I don't think Hart will be the everyday 2B though. Why should pay Vina 4.5 million when they have Cairo and Hart who can hold that position splitting time? This was a good move by the Cards. I hope Vina ends up somewhere good though.
    Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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    • pol
      All Star
      • Nov 2002
      • 2424

      #47
      Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

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      BigRed said:
      pol, I've re-read my post and think I know where people are getting me wrong. I don't think Hart is the answer. However, if Hart played second and batted like 8th AND we got rid of either Drew or Edmonds and replaced them with someone who can hit leadoff, then Hart would do well, as the replacement to Vina at second.

      You need solid d play at second. Hart gives you that. Sure he's not a gold glover, but there's only one each year and that doesn't guarantee a WS.

      But, just to clarify. IMO. Hart as second basemen and leadoff? No thank you. Hart as second baseman and seven or eight hitter? Good move since it frees up cash for pitching.

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      Just curious, why are you so hot to deal Edmonds? I can understand wanting to move Drew after his yearly injury problems, but Edmonds? The guy may not play every day, but he puts up NUMBERS.

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      his value will never be higher.. he is getting paid i think 3x what jd is being paid.. jd has very good range in CF... and the knock on jd is injuries.. well edmonds has had injury issues as well.

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      • pol
        All Star
        • Nov 2002
        • 2424

        #48
        Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

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        samjjones said:
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        BigRed said:
        pol, I've re-read my post and think I know where people are getting me wrong. I don't think Hart is the answer. However, if Hart played second and batted like 8th AND we got rid of either Drew or Edmonds and replaced them with someone who can hit leadoff, then Hart would do well, as the replacement to Vina at second.

        You need solid d play at second. Hart gives you that. Sure he's not a gold glover, but there's only one each year and that doesn't guarantee a WS.

        But, just to clarify. IMO. Hart as second basemen and leadoff? No thank you. Hart as second baseman and seven or eight hitter? Good move since it frees up cash for pitching.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        Just curious, why are you so hot to deal Edmonds? I can understand wanting to move Drew after his yearly injury problems, but Edmonds? The guy may not play every day, but he puts up NUMBERS.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        his value will never be higher.. he is getting paid i think 3x what jd is being paid.. jd has very good range in CF... and the knock on jd is injuries.. well edmonds has had injury issues as well.

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        • pol
          All Star
          • Nov 2002
          • 2424

          #49
          Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          samjjones said:
          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          BigRed said:
          pol, I've re-read my post and think I know where people are getting me wrong. I don't think Hart is the answer. However, if Hart played second and batted like 8th AND we got rid of either Drew or Edmonds and replaced them with someone who can hit leadoff, then Hart would do well, as the replacement to Vina at second.

          You need solid d play at second. Hart gives you that. Sure he's not a gold glover, but there's only one each year and that doesn't guarantee a WS.

          But, just to clarify. IMO. Hart as second basemen and leadoff? No thank you. Hart as second baseman and seven or eight hitter? Good move since it frees up cash for pitching.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          Just curious, why are you so hot to deal Edmonds? I can understand wanting to move Drew after his yearly injury problems, but Edmonds? The guy may not play every day, but he puts up NUMBERS.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          his value will never be higher.. he is getting paid i think 3x what jd is being paid.. jd has very good range in CF... and the knock on jd is injuries.. well edmonds has had injury issues as well.

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          • Mr_October
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1618

            #50
            Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

            Drew is always hurt because he is either cursed or has an extremely fragile body. The most games the guy has played in a single season is 135. To his credit, he is a pretty good hitter. But a very overpaid player for what level of production he did. He was making around 3.5 million and is now arbitration eligible. Which means he is going to be making more next year. I'm almost beginning to lose faith in the Cardinals General Managment. Because they almost waste more money on overpaid players then the Yankees do.
            Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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            • Mr_October
              MVP
              • Mar 2003
              • 1618

              #51
              Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

              Drew is always hurt because he is either cursed or has an extremely fragile body. The most games the guy has played in a single season is 135. To his credit, he is a pretty good hitter. But a very overpaid player for what level of production he did. He was making around 3.5 million and is now arbitration eligible. Which means he is going to be making more next year. I'm almost beginning to lose faith in the Cardinals General Managment. Because they almost waste more money on overpaid players then the Yankees do.
              Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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              • Mr_October
                MVP
                • Mar 2003
                • 1618

                #52
                Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

                Drew is always hurt because he is either cursed or has an extremely fragile body. The most games the guy has played in a single season is 135. To his credit, he is a pretty good hitter. But a very overpaid player for what level of production he did. He was making around 3.5 million and is now arbitration eligible. Which means he is going to be making more next year. I'm almost beginning to lose faith in the Cardinals General Managment. Because they almost waste more money on overpaid players then the Yankees do.
                Kansas City Royals MVP 2005 Dynasty... The Climb To The Top.

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                • rsox
                  All Star
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 6309

                  #53
                  Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

                  The Cardinals are one of the teams expected to make a run at Luis Castillo,
                  as for Vina, could be batting leadoff for the Mets next season.

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                  • rsox
                    All Star
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6309

                    #54
                    Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

                    The Cardinals are one of the teams expected to make a run at Luis Castillo,
                    as for Vina, could be batting leadoff for the Mets next season.

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                    • rsox
                      All Star
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6309

                      #55
                      Re: Vina\'s option not picked up by the Cardinals

                      The Cardinals are one of the teams expected to make a run at Luis Castillo,
                      as for Vina, could be batting leadoff for the Mets next season.

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