"He will be a Hall of Famer someday..."

[CMH]

What I love most about Pujols and what really puts him into "one of the best hitters ever" category for me is his approach to hitting. The dude is a straight up robot. He's so deliberate and calculated, it's unreal.

Were hitters like Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, etc as cyborg-esque in their approach?

Go back to the basketball forums!

But really, I'm not sure what you mean by this. A part of me thinks you're clowning - knowing you - but I left my sarcasm alarm in the repair shop.


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[snepp]

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Were hitters like Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, etc as cyborg-esque in their approach?

I don't know about Ruth or Gehrig, but Williams is the stick by which all other thinking, calculating, methodical hitters are compared to.

[1andonly]

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Okay so why didn't you say that before when it was asked? You simply said no one has done what he's done. We proved that wasn't true. Now it's era and ballparks.

What are you gonna use next when we disprove ballparks being smaller or use the increase in offense as arguments against Pujols?

You can have an opinion but it behooves me how someone can leave out reasons for their opinion and then get defensive when it's disproven.


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Why did I say that? I didn't think you would try actually try to compare people from a different era, guess I was wrong.

I don't know what you want from me or why you care so much about this topic. You're treating it like I am insulting you or something. Not sure why you say i'm getting defensive? I have nothing to get defensive over. I am not a fan of Pujols, i'm a Padres fan.

[snepp]

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When you say that someone is the greatest of all time, you are by default comparing players from all eras.


And if you're going to back an opinion that's obviously going to be in the minority, you should be prepared to defend it.

[TheMatrix31]

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I don't know about Ruth or Gehrig, but Williams is the stick by which all other thinking, calculating, methodical hitters are compared to.

That's what I thought. Thanks.

Wasn't clowning at all, YP.

[55]

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My opinion is wrong? Orly? Do tell

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[TheMatrix31]

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Ryan, you need to stop with these obnoxiously big pictures you love posting.

[55]

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Ryan, you need to stop with these obnoxiously big pictures you love posting.

My bad. I tried to resize it and failed. The html system on this forum is smarter than I am, I suppose!

[1andonly]

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When you say that someone is the greatest of all time, you are by default comparing players from all eras.


And if you're going to back an opinion that's obviously going to be in the minority, you should be prepared to defend it.

Do you honestly think Babe Ruth could even put up All-Star stats in today's world? No. I did not expect others to think that he could. Comparing people from different eras is dumb.

Why do I I have to defend my opinion? It does not bother me what you guys believe, but it obviously bothers you guys about what I think. I never intended on even debating this, but you guys obviously want to. I don't get why you guys care so much about my opinion.

[55]

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Do you honestly think Babe Ruth could even put up All-Star stats in today's world?

Absolutely.

He had world class power, outstanding plate vision and ridiculous patience for a slugger. That kind of combination of skills transcends eras. He also hit lefties almost as well as righties which is also incredible for a left-handed power hitter.

Career vs. RHP - .351/.486/.705

Career vs. LHP - .327/.460/.686

[TheMatrix31]

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Do you honestly think Babe Ruth could even put up All-Star stats in today's world? No. I did not expect others to think that he could. Comparing people from different eras is dumb.

Why do I I have to defend my opinion? It does not bother me what you guys believe, but it obviously bothers you guys about what I think. I never intended on even debating this, but you guys obviously want to. I don't get why you guys care so much about my opinion.

Because Operation Sports is a place for intelligent sports discussion, and we expect people to back up what they say in proper, articulate, reasoned fashion.

[TheNumber35]

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Because Operation Sports is a place for intelligent sports discussion, and we expect people to back up what they say in proper, articulate, reasoned fashion.

This, and like what others have said about calling someone the Greatest of All Time (GOAT) at anything and the comparisons you have to bring into it to make the discussion fair. Saying you can't compare players of different eras completely eliminates GOAT as a statement. How can you be the GOAT at anything if you can't be compared to others who have been considered as such? Simply put, you just can't.

Ok lol, time for my contribution to the discussion...

Has anyone mentioned how the game has been geared MORE towards hitting in the present than in the past? If my memory serves me correctly, the mound was moved down and the strike zone was shrunk as well in the late 60's/early 70's because of Bob Gibson's (and other pitchers) dominance in that era, to help the hitters have a better chance. Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Lou Gerig, and other hitters before these rule changes would have had to deal with harder conditions for hitting their whole careers.

Plus Ruth and other hitters from that era played in 154 games in a season rather than the 162 (anyone ever seen 61*?) So Albert, in his career, will probably have about 160ish more games to put up stats (depending on who you're comparing to, I just put it as an average of a 20 year career.)

Objectivity and intellectual conversation are requirements for this discussion, because there really isn't (IMO) a correct answer to who is the greatest hitter of all time. There's a lot of excellent candidates, but nobody has a definitive advantage over another. All the guys mentioned (Ruth, Gerig, Williams, etc.) have cases, as well as other guys who maybe haven't been mentioned in this conversation.

[CMH]

And none of us ever said one player was the greatest of all time.

One poster decided to choose one guy as the greatest. To expect that no one will challenge that...well, I'd have to ask why even bring it up in a message board then?


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[1andonly]

Re: "He will be a Hall of Famer someday..."

When you say that someone is the greatest of all time, you are by default comparing players from all eras.


And if you're going to back an opinion that's obviously going to be in the minority, you should be prepared to defend it.

Absolutely.

He had world class power, outstanding plate vision and ridiculous patience for a slugger. That kind of combination of skills transcends eras. He also hit lefties almost as well as righties which is also incredible for a left-handed power hitter.

Career vs. RHP - .351/.486/.705

Career vs. LHP - .327/.460/.686

Babe Ruth NEVER saw the kind of pitching in today's world. Think about it. There were no African Americans, no people from other countries.

Babe Ruth would not be able to hit people in today's game.

[1andonly]

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And none of us ever said one player was the greatest of all time.

One poster decided to choose one guy as the greatest. To expect that no one will challenge that...well, I'd have to ask why even bring it up in a message board then?


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You act like I started a thread about it or something, I made one post and people wanna tell me my opinion is wrong.

If telling people their opinion is "wrong" is acceptable here then idk what to say.