Pete Rose should not be reinstated

[kweiss]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

The fact of the matter is that he broke to cardinal rule of baseball. Baseball doesn't care how good or bad of a person you are, but if you bet on baseball you're out. It's really a simple thing. Pete Rose knew what kind of a career he had. He knew that he was the all time hit leader and that he played a HOF career, but he threw it all out the window. Yes, the hall of fame is about your on field performance and no, it isn't a morality contest, but everyone knows that when you bet on baseball you throw your career away.

[Lex]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

As you might guess I certainly agree with you. Thanks for the words of clarity. Now if everyone would learn this then everything would be OK.

[Lex]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

As you might guess I certainly agree with you. Thanks for the words of clarity. Now if everyone would learn this then everything would be OK.

[Lex]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

As you might guess I certainly agree with you. Thanks for the words of clarity. Now if everyone would learn this then everything would be OK.

[Benita316]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

Some of you are saying that Rose should be in the HoF for what he did on the field and that morality has no bearing.

You would do well to research your topic a little bit.

Integrity is actually specified as one of the criteria along which HoF candidates are judged.

And in my opinion, NO we cannot separate Rose the player from Rose the lying, manipulative, cheating manager.

I sure as hell would never play for someone who has admitted betting on games in which he managed.

[Benita316]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

Some of you are saying that Rose should be in the HoF for what he did on the field and that morality has no bearing.

You would do well to research your topic a little bit.

Integrity is actually specified as one of the criteria along which HoF candidates are judged.

And in my opinion, NO we cannot separate Rose the player from Rose the lying, manipulative, cheating manager.

I sure as hell would never play for someone who has admitted betting on games in which he managed.

[Benita316]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

Some of you are saying that Rose should be in the HoF for what he did on the field and that morality has no bearing.

You would do well to research your topic a little bit.

Integrity is actually specified as one of the criteria along which HoF candidates are judged.

And in my opinion, NO we cannot separate Rose the player from Rose the lying, manipulative, cheating manager.

I sure as hell would never play for someone who has admitted betting on games in which he managed.

[Donovan]

rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Apparantley rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Courtesy the American press:

CINCINNATI -- Pete Rose's contention that he never bet on Cincinnati Reds games from the clubhouse is being disputed by two of his reputed bet runners.

Former housemate Tommy Gioiosa said yesterday that Rose is lying when he says in his latest autobiography that he never placed a bet from his office. Gioiosa said he did so routinely.

Paul Janszen, who also told authorities that he ran bets for Rose, also said that baseball's hits king placed wagers from his office on a regular basis.

"I wish he'd just come clean with everything," Gioiosa said in a telephone interview. "I just wonder if he ever will tell the whole story."

A day after excerpts from My Prison Without Bars were released, Rose's latest version of his gambling scandal and his sincerity were questioned.

DENIED PROBLEM

Rose accepted a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989 but insisted he never bet on baseball. He was later diagnosed with a significant gambling disorder, but has denied he has a problem.

"Since he's not planning any kind of rehabilitation, I don't think it has any kind of sincerity," said Barbara Pinzka, who was his spokeswoman at the time. "That's the sad part. He dragged himself this far, to acknowledge he bet on baseball, but he's still not admitting he has a problem."

Commissioner Bud Selig hasn't indicated whether he plans to reinstate Rose, which would make him eligible for the Hall.

Hall of Fame president Dale Petroskey said yesterday that no consideration is being given to changing the rules to extend Rose's eligibility.

"There's been no talk about changing any of the rules," Petroskey said.

Rose received 15 write-in votes this year, three fewer than last year.

POOR TIMING

Paul Molitor, who was elected to the Hall yesterday along with Dennis Eckersley, wished that Rose had released his book at some other time.

"I am a little disappointed in the timing of it," Molitor said. "Does it take away from the current class? ... In my mind, I think it does a little bit."

Meanwhile, Shoeless Joe Jackson supporters hope Pete Rose's quest for baseball reinstatement brings attention to the Black Sox scandal's most celebrated figure and his case to enter the Hall of Fame.

"We're hoping so," said Jackson friend Joe Anders.

[Donovan]

rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Apparantley rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Courtesy the American press:

CINCINNATI -- Pete Rose's contention that he never bet on Cincinnati Reds games from the clubhouse is being disputed by two of his reputed bet runners.

Former housemate Tommy Gioiosa said yesterday that Rose is lying when he says in his latest autobiography that he never placed a bet from his office. Gioiosa said he did so routinely.

Paul Janszen, who also told authorities that he ran bets for Rose, also said that baseball's hits king placed wagers from his office on a regular basis.

"I wish he'd just come clean with everything," Gioiosa said in a telephone interview. "I just wonder if he ever will tell the whole story."

A day after excerpts from My Prison Without Bars were released, Rose's latest version of his gambling scandal and his sincerity were questioned.

DENIED PROBLEM

Rose accepted a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989 but insisted he never bet on baseball. He was later diagnosed with a significant gambling disorder, but has denied he has a problem.

"Since he's not planning any kind of rehabilitation, I don't think it has any kind of sincerity," said Barbara Pinzka, who was his spokeswoman at the time. "That's the sad part. He dragged himself this far, to acknowledge he bet on baseball, but he's still not admitting he has a problem."

Commissioner Bud Selig hasn't indicated whether he plans to reinstate Rose, which would make him eligible for the Hall.

Hall of Fame president Dale Petroskey said yesterday that no consideration is being given to changing the rules to extend Rose's eligibility.

"There's been no talk about changing any of the rules," Petroskey said.

Rose received 15 write-in votes this year, three fewer than last year.

POOR TIMING

Paul Molitor, who was elected to the Hall yesterday along with Dennis Eckersley, wished that Rose had released his book at some other time.

"I am a little disappointed in the timing of it," Molitor said. "Does it take away from the current class? ... In my mind, I think it does a little bit."

Meanwhile, Shoeless Joe Jackson supporters hope Pete Rose's quest for baseball reinstatement brings attention to the Black Sox scandal's most celebrated figure and his case to enter the Hall of Fame.

"We're hoping so," said Jackson friend Joe Anders.

[Donovan]

rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Apparantley rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Courtesy the American press:

CINCINNATI -- Pete Rose's contention that he never bet on Cincinnati Reds games from the clubhouse is being disputed by two of his reputed bet runners.

Former housemate Tommy Gioiosa said yesterday that Rose is lying when he says in his latest autobiography that he never placed a bet from his office. Gioiosa said he did so routinely.

Paul Janszen, who also told authorities that he ran bets for Rose, also said that baseball's hits king placed wagers from his office on a regular basis.

"I wish he'd just come clean with everything," Gioiosa said in a telephone interview. "I just wonder if he ever will tell the whole story."

A day after excerpts from My Prison Without Bars were released, Rose's latest version of his gambling scandal and his sincerity were questioned.

DENIED PROBLEM

Rose accepted a lifetime ban from baseball in 1989 but insisted he never bet on baseball. He was later diagnosed with a significant gambling disorder, but has denied he has a problem.

"Since he's not planning any kind of rehabilitation, I don't think it has any kind of sincerity," said Barbara Pinzka, who was his spokeswoman at the time. "That's the sad part. He dragged himself this far, to acknowledge he bet on baseball, but he's still not admitting he has a problem."

Commissioner Bud Selig hasn't indicated whether he plans to reinstate Rose, which would make him eligible for the Hall.

Hall of Fame president Dale Petroskey said yesterday that no consideration is being given to changing the rules to extend Rose's eligibility.

"There's been no talk about changing any of the rules," Petroskey said.

Rose received 15 write-in votes this year, three fewer than last year.

POOR TIMING

Paul Molitor, who was elected to the Hall yesterday along with Dennis Eckersley, wished that Rose had released his book at some other time.

"I am a little disappointed in the timing of it," Molitor said. "Does it take away from the current class? ... In my mind, I think it does a little bit."

Meanwhile, Shoeless Joe Jackson supporters hope Pete Rose's quest for baseball reinstatement brings attention to the Black Sox scandal's most celebrated figure and his case to enter the Hall of Fame.

"We're hoping so," said Jackson friend Joe Anders.

[Lex]

Re: rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Fay Vincent said on tv yesterday that someone reported seeing Pete Rose bet on baseball when he was with the Phillies. Fay Vincent may not be the biggest Pete Rose fan but I think its a response to Petes inscrupulousness. I dont think Fay would make anything up. He actually named the source but I dont remember who it was. The important thing is that, knowing what we know now it is probably true.

[Lex]

Re: rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Fay Vincent said on tv yesterday that someone reported seeing Pete Rose bet on baseball when he was with the Phillies. Fay Vincent may not be the biggest Pete Rose fan but I think its a response to Petes inscrupulousness. I dont think Fay would make anything up. He actually named the source but I dont remember who it was. The important thing is that, knowing what we know now it is probably true.

[Lex]

Re: rose bet routinely from the clubhouse as a manager.

Fay Vincent said on tv yesterday that someone reported seeing Pete Rose bet on baseball when he was with the Phillies. Fay Vincent may not be the biggest Pete Rose fan but I think its a response to Petes inscrupulousness. I dont think Fay would make anything up. He actually named the source but I dont remember who it was. The important thing is that, knowing what we know now it is probably true.

[mickj]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

a perspective from someone who used to play for Pete Rose:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=1701750

IMO, i'm not too crazy for reinstatement, but he definitely should be in the Hall. I think that's the general sentiment of most of the baseball community, but since people who have been banned from baseball for life can't be in the Hall, they're trying to figure out how to get him there wihtout changing the rules or changing the rules in an acceptable way.

[mickj]

Re: Pete Rose should not be reinstated

a perspective from someone who used to play for Pete Rose:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=1701750

IMO, i'm not too crazy for reinstatement, but he definitely should be in the Hall. I think that's the general sentiment of most of the baseball community, but since people who have been banned from baseball for life can't be in the Hall, they're trying to figure out how to get him there wihtout changing the rules or changing the rules in an acceptable way.