Relegation...?

[SPTO]

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Very true... Baseball has long been a sport where fans relate to the individual player moreso than the team as a whole. I'm not sure why this is, but it just seems that way to me.



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This statement is more true today then it was in the past. In the glory days of MLB there was a very STRONG afilliation between team and city. All 3 NY teams in the 50s were well supported. It's true there were some individual favourites but it was more of a community/cheer on the home team spirit.

The Cubs have long had that kind of diehard fanaticism that is still seen to this day along with the Cardinals. The thing that truly killed the notion of fans cheering on the entire team was the advent of Free Agency. You can thank Charles O. Finley for that.

Then again there was a lot of the same "team" concept of cheering through most of the 70s and up til the early 80s when Free Agency wasn't as prevalent. That slipped away by the mid 80s and fans have become more jaded.

[dust247]

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Lex said:
Ok, players unions aside. Do you guys think baseball would be better if it had relegation. By relegation I mean that the worst two teams (or so) in baseball each year would get sent to the minors and they would be replaced with minor league teams.

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is this suppose to be a joke

[dust247]

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Lex said:
Ok, players unions aside. Do you guys think baseball would be better if it had relegation. By relegation I mean that the worst two teams (or so) in baseball each year would get sent to the minors and they would be replaced with minor league teams.

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is this suppose to be a joke

[dust247]

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Lex said:
Ok, players unions aside. Do you guys think baseball would be better if it had relegation. By relegation I mean that the worst two teams (or so) in baseball each year would get sent to the minors and they would be replaced with minor league teams.

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is this suppose to be a joke

[Lex]

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SportsmanTO said:


Plus it would be strange if say the Yanks AAA team made it into the Majors and they're replacing Detroit and they play their parent club.....can anyone say conflict of interest?

Ok and a 3rd reason just came to mind....



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Actually, this is the best contra argument anyone has made to this point. However, there are a number of non-affiliated teams. Naturally, it would have to pertain to them because of what you said. What would happen though would be that players would defect from teams that are being relegated. This is what happens in Club Soccer.

So what about rallying support for the last place team. If you had relegation dont you think the incentive to do fire sales like Cincinnati did last year would be gone. Cincinnati deserves to be relegated but there are other teams like them. People always talk about revenue sharing and salary cap. These are mechanisms that work there way from the top (ie the best teams) down (to the have nots). However, with relegation the incentive is working its way from the bottom up. If there was relegation then there might not be as many people complaining about the Yankees because more teams (ownership) would actually care about fielding a quality team. Who wants to lose out on the major league revenue ( tv contracts etc) after all?

BTW, there are teams now in MLB who are somewhere in between a minor league team and a MLB team. But thats a nonissue because of the fact that the teams entering the MLB pool of teams will pick up stray players as I had earlier mentioned. The reason the support for the current bottom feeder teams is so weak is because of poor ownership and management generally. When this is the case poor attendance is a certainty. Given that its unavoidable in that way, what is the harm with having relegation?

Not only that but the teams would have less leverage with the cities when it comes to such issues as stadiums etc. As most of you know the teams like to hold the taxpayers hostage. With relegation the leverage would be less.

[Lex]

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SportsmanTO said:


Plus it would be strange if say the Yanks AAA team made it into the Majors and they're replacing Detroit and they play their parent club.....can anyone say conflict of interest?

Ok and a 3rd reason just came to mind....



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Actually, this is the best contra argument anyone has made to this point. However, there are a number of non-affiliated teams. Naturally, it would have to pertain to them because of what you said. What would happen though would be that players would defect from teams that are being relegated. This is what happens in Club Soccer.

So what about rallying support for the last place team. If you had relegation dont you think the incentive to do fire sales like Cincinnati did last year would be gone. Cincinnati deserves to be relegated but there are other teams like them. People always talk about revenue sharing and salary cap. These are mechanisms that work there way from the top (ie the best teams) down (to the have nots). However, with relegation the incentive is working its way from the bottom up. If there was relegation then there might not be as many people complaining about the Yankees because more teams (ownership) would actually care about fielding a quality team. Who wants to lose out on the major league revenue ( tv contracts etc) after all?

BTW, there are teams now in MLB who are somewhere in between a minor league team and a MLB team. But thats a nonissue because of the fact that the teams entering the MLB pool of teams will pick up stray players as I had earlier mentioned. The reason the support for the current bottom feeder teams is so weak is because of poor ownership and management generally. When this is the case poor attendance is a certainty. Given that its unavoidable in that way, what is the harm with having relegation?

Not only that but the teams would have less leverage with the cities when it comes to such issues as stadiums etc. As most of you know the teams like to hold the taxpayers hostage. With relegation the leverage would be less.

[Lex]

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SportsmanTO said:


Plus it would be strange if say the Yanks AAA team made it into the Majors and they're replacing Detroit and they play their parent club.....can anyone say conflict of interest?

Ok and a 3rd reason just came to mind....



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Actually, this is the best contra argument anyone has made to this point. However, there are a number of non-affiliated teams. Naturally, it would have to pertain to them because of what you said. What would happen though would be that players would defect from teams that are being relegated. This is what happens in Club Soccer.

So what about rallying support for the last place team. If you had relegation dont you think the incentive to do fire sales like Cincinnati did last year would be gone. Cincinnati deserves to be relegated but there are other teams like them. People always talk about revenue sharing and salary cap. These are mechanisms that work there way from the top (ie the best teams) down (to the have nots). However, with relegation the incentive is working its way from the bottom up. If there was relegation then there might not be as many people complaining about the Yankees because more teams (ownership) would actually care about fielding a quality team. Who wants to lose out on the major league revenue ( tv contracts etc) after all?

BTW, there are teams now in MLB who are somewhere in between a minor league team and a MLB team. But thats a nonissue because of the fact that the teams entering the MLB pool of teams will pick up stray players as I had earlier mentioned. The reason the support for the current bottom feeder teams is so weak is because of poor ownership and management generally. When this is the case poor attendance is a certainty. Given that its unavoidable in that way, what is the harm with having relegation?

Not only that but the teams would have less leverage with the cities when it comes to such issues as stadiums etc. As most of you know the teams like to hold the taxpayers hostage. With relegation the leverage would be less.

[Lex]

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dust247 said:
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Lex said:
Ok, players unions aside. Do you guys think baseball would be better if it had relegation. By relegation I mean that the worst two teams (or so) in baseball each year would get sent to the minors and they would be replaced with minor league teams.

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is this suppose to be a joke

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No, its a hypothetical but thanks for asking.

[Lex]

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dust247 said:
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Lex said:
Ok, players unions aside. Do you guys think baseball would be better if it had relegation. By relegation I mean that the worst two teams (or so) in baseball each year would get sent to the minors and they would be replaced with minor league teams.

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is this suppose to be a joke

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No, its a hypothetical but thanks for asking.

[Lex]

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dust247 said:
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Lex said:
Ok, players unions aside. Do you guys think baseball would be better if it had relegation. By relegation I mean that the worst two teams (or so) in baseball each year would get sent to the minors and they would be replaced with minor league teams.

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is this suppose to be a joke

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No, its a hypothetical but thanks for asking.

[rsox]

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It would never happen, besides, what would it prove?, your going to take the two worst teams in the Major Leagues, with Major League players, and replace them with two Minor League teams, with Minor League players, if the teams with the big leaguers could not win against other big league talent, then how could teams with Minor League players fair any better.

I know this idea has been tossed around before, but it is one of the worst idea's Baseball has ever come up with.

[rsox]

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It would never happen, besides, what would it prove?, your going to take the two worst teams in the Major Leagues, with Major League players, and replace them with two Minor League teams, with Minor League players, if the teams with the big leaguers could not win against other big league talent, then how could teams with Minor League players fair any better.

I know this idea has been tossed around before, but it is one of the worst idea's Baseball has ever come up with.

[rsox]

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It would never happen, besides, what would it prove?, your going to take the two worst teams in the Major Leagues, with Major League players, and replace them with two Minor League teams, with Minor League players, if the teams with the big leaguers could not win against other big league talent, then how could teams with Minor League players fair any better.

I know this idea has been tossed around before, but it is one of the worst idea's Baseball has ever come up with.

[Lex]

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rsox said:
It would never happen, besides, what would it prove?, your going to take the two worst teams in the Major Leagues, with Major League players, and replace them with two Minor League teams, with Minor League players, if the teams with the big leaguers could not win against other big league talent, then how could teams with Minor League players fair any better.

I know this idea has been tossed around before, but it is one of the worst idea's Baseball has ever come up with.

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Youre missing the point. 1) Players on suspect teams would generally have 1 or 2 year contracts so they could catch on with someone or 2) there maybe could be a provision giving every player on a team being relegated free agency.

Regarding what it would prove, it would put pressure on certain ownerships (eg the Reds) to put a quality product out there. As a consequence, in the long run its better for the fans. There are a lot of teams who currently arent drawing squat. I contend that it is possible, if not likely, that by relegating, the new teams would have higher attendance than some of the current MLB teams. I went to the Red Sox vs White Sox game on 2 seperate occasions. The first time the crowd was scarce. The second time both teams were in contention so it seemed like a lot but... it was only 23,000...in Comiskey!!!

[Lex]

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rsox said:
It would never happen, besides, what would it prove?, your going to take the two worst teams in the Major Leagues, with Major League players, and replace them with two Minor League teams, with Minor League players, if the teams with the big leaguers could not win against other big league talent, then how could teams with Minor League players fair any better.

I know this idea has been tossed around before, but it is one of the worst idea's Baseball has ever come up with.

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Youre missing the point. 1) Players on suspect teams would generally have 1 or 2 year contracts so they could catch on with someone or 2) there maybe could be a provision giving every player on a team being relegated free agency.

Regarding what it would prove, it would put pressure on certain ownerships (eg the Reds) to put a quality product out there. As a consequence, in the long run its better for the fans. There are a lot of teams who currently arent drawing squat. I contend that it is possible, if not likely, that by relegating, the new teams would have higher attendance than some of the current MLB teams. I went to the Red Sox vs White Sox game on 2 seperate occasions. The first time the crowd was scarce. The second time both teams were in contention so it seemed like a lot but... it was only 23,000...in Comiskey!!!