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  • dieselboy
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    • Dec 2002
    • 18040

    #61
    Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

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    cub said:
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    Erod said:
    People just don't add that kind of muscle as quickly as Sosa did. This hasn't been gradual. He showed up one year, and he was huge.

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    1996. I distinctly remember.

    That year he hit .273 with 40 HR.

    The next year (the same size) he hit .251 with 36 HR.

    The next year (still the same size) he changed his batting stance and hit .308 with 66 HR.

    Followed by .320/50 and .328/64. All at the same size he was back in 1996.

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    But remember..Sosa used to be a speedy guy.

    Used to steal bases, and didn't hit many HRs.

    Now he is the complete opposite.

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    • cappadocian
      Banned
      • Nov 2003
      • 419

      #62
      Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five yea

      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      cub said:
      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      Erod said:
      People just don't add that kind of muscle as quickly as Sosa did. This hasn't been gradual. He showed up one year, and he was huge.

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

      1996. I distinctly remember.

      That year he hit .273 with 40 HR.

      The next year (the same size) he hit .251 with 36 HR.

      The next year (still the same size) he changed his batting stance and hit .308 with 66 HR.

      Followed by .320/50 and .328/64. All at the same size he was back in 1996.

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

      You keep on believing that Sammy Sosa just "changed his batting stance", while the rest of us who know better will see that Sosa has more than once cheated this game.

      He was caught using a corked bat, and only a paid-off investigation saved his name in the game.
      He shows up one year MUCH bigger than before, and hasn't stopped slugging gozillions of homeruns since.

      For the other person who tried to water down baseball's problems by comparing them to that of other professional sports. This is like saying "but, mom, he hit me first. Billy started it and he is just as guilty as me". It doesn't matter what the other sports are doing. It doesn't lessen the wrong that Major League Baseball is doing.

      All of the things that have been pointed out about the game are true. You just won't hear team owners, agents and players as a whole admitting to them, because that would mean the end of their salaries and possible criminal charges thrown on them. The game has been cheating for at LEAST the past decade.

      I feel that the last time Major League Baseball resembled its heritage was in the end of the 1980's. Heck, the Braves had that great starting rotation, but we all know now that Maddux benefited from the Braves cheating by increasing the size of the batter's box (discovered a couple of years ago I think).

      Killing this game for about five years, along with the gozillions of baseball cards being pumped out, and all the excessive merchandise, would indeed be the best thing for this sport. I think that the HR record should be given back to Maris, and those drugged-up sluggers from the past decade should have astericks put beside their name when or if they make the Hall of Fame.

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      • cappadocian
        Banned
        • Nov 2003
        • 419

        #63
        Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five yea

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        cub said:
        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        Erod said:
        People just don't add that kind of muscle as quickly as Sosa did. This hasn't been gradual. He showed up one year, and he was huge.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        1996. I distinctly remember.

        That year he hit .273 with 40 HR.

        The next year (the same size) he hit .251 with 36 HR.

        The next year (still the same size) he changed his batting stance and hit .308 with 66 HR.

        Followed by .320/50 and .328/64. All at the same size he was back in 1996.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        You keep on believing that Sammy Sosa just "changed his batting stance", while the rest of us who know better will see that Sosa has more than once cheated this game.

        He was caught using a corked bat, and only a paid-off investigation saved his name in the game.
        He shows up one year MUCH bigger than before, and hasn't stopped slugging gozillions of homeruns since.

        For the other person who tried to water down baseball's problems by comparing them to that of other professional sports. This is like saying "but, mom, he hit me first. Billy started it and he is just as guilty as me". It doesn't matter what the other sports are doing. It doesn't lessen the wrong that Major League Baseball is doing.

        All of the things that have been pointed out about the game are true. You just won't hear team owners, agents and players as a whole admitting to them, because that would mean the end of their salaries and possible criminal charges thrown on them. The game has been cheating for at LEAST the past decade.

        I feel that the last time Major League Baseball resembled its heritage was in the end of the 1980's. Heck, the Braves had that great starting rotation, but we all know now that Maddux benefited from the Braves cheating by increasing the size of the batter's box (discovered a couple of years ago I think).

        Killing this game for about five years, along with the gozillions of baseball cards being pumped out, and all the excessive merchandise, would indeed be the best thing for this sport. I think that the HR record should be given back to Maris, and those drugged-up sluggers from the past decade should have astericks put beside their name when or if they make the Hall of Fame.

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        • cappadocian
          Banned
          • Nov 2003
          • 419

          #64
          Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five yea

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          cub said:
          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          Erod said:
          People just don't add that kind of muscle as quickly as Sosa did. This hasn't been gradual. He showed up one year, and he was huge.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          1996. I distinctly remember.

          That year he hit .273 with 40 HR.

          The next year (the same size) he hit .251 with 36 HR.

          The next year (still the same size) he changed his batting stance and hit .308 with 66 HR.

          Followed by .320/50 and .328/64. All at the same size he was back in 1996.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          You keep on believing that Sammy Sosa just "changed his batting stance", while the rest of us who know better will see that Sosa has more than once cheated this game.

          He was caught using a corked bat, and only a paid-off investigation saved his name in the game.
          He shows up one year MUCH bigger than before, and hasn't stopped slugging gozillions of homeruns since.

          For the other person who tried to water down baseball's problems by comparing them to that of other professional sports. This is like saying "but, mom, he hit me first. Billy started it and he is just as guilty as me". It doesn't matter what the other sports are doing. It doesn't lessen the wrong that Major League Baseball is doing.

          All of the things that have been pointed out about the game are true. You just won't hear team owners, agents and players as a whole admitting to them, because that would mean the end of their salaries and possible criminal charges thrown on them. The game has been cheating for at LEAST the past decade.

          I feel that the last time Major League Baseball resembled its heritage was in the end of the 1980's. Heck, the Braves had that great starting rotation, but we all know now that Maddux benefited from the Braves cheating by increasing the size of the batter's box (discovered a couple of years ago I think).

          Killing this game for about five years, along with the gozillions of baseball cards being pumped out, and all the excessive merchandise, would indeed be the best thing for this sport. I think that the HR record should be given back to Maris, and those drugged-up sluggers from the past decade should have astericks put beside their name when or if they make the Hall of Fame.

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          • Freelance
            Banned
            • Jul 2002
            • 7021

            #65
            Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            dieselboy said:
            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            cub said:
            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            Erod said:
            People just don't add that kind of muscle as quickly as Sosa did. This hasn't been gradual. He showed up one year, and he was huge.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            1996. I distinctly remember.

            That year he hit .273 with 40 HR.

            The next year (the same size) he hit .251 with 36 HR.

            The next year (still the same size) he changed his batting stance and hit .308 with 66 HR.

            Followed by .320/50 and .328/64. All at the same size he was back in 1996.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            But remember..Sosa used to be a speedy guy.

            Used to steal bases, and didn't hit many HRs.

            Now he is the complete opposite.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

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            • Freelance
              Banned
              • Jul 2002
              • 7021

              #66
              Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              dieselboy said:
              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              cub said:
              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              Erod said:
              People just don't add that kind of muscle as quickly as Sosa did. This hasn't been gradual. He showed up one year, and he was huge.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              1996. I distinctly remember.

              That year he hit .273 with 40 HR.

              The next year (the same size) he hit .251 with 36 HR.

              The next year (still the same size) he changed his batting stance and hit .308 with 66 HR.

              Followed by .320/50 and .328/64. All at the same size he was back in 1996.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              But remember..Sosa used to be a speedy guy.

              Used to steal bases, and didn't hit many HRs.

              Now he is the complete opposite.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

              Comment

              • Freelance
                Banned
                • Jul 2002
                • 7021

                #67
                Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                dieselboy said:
                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                cub said:
                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                Erod said:
                People just don't add that kind of muscle as quickly as Sosa did. This hasn't been gradual. He showed up one year, and he was huge.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                1996. I distinctly remember.

                That year he hit .273 with 40 HR.

                The next year (the same size) he hit .251 with 36 HR.

                The next year (still the same size) he changed his batting stance and hit .308 with 66 HR.

                Followed by .320/50 and .328/64. All at the same size he was back in 1996.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                But remember..Sosa used to be a speedy guy.

                Used to steal bases, and didn't hit many HRs.

                Now he is the complete opposite.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

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                • cub
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1126

                  #68
                  Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  Erod said:
                  Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  What tha? Sosa never hit for average until he started hitting all the HRs.

                  He was like .250 with 200 strikeouts every year (even when he got big) until he changed his stance.

                  Yes, he stopped running as much. Mainly cause he became a cleanup hitter. He's still pretty fast.

                  Man, there are a lotta Sosa haters out there.

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                  • cub
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1126

                    #69
                    Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    Erod said:
                    Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    What tha? Sosa never hit for average until he started hitting all the HRs.

                    He was like .250 with 200 strikeouts every year (even when he got big) until he changed his stance.

                    Yes, he stopped running as much. Mainly cause he became a cleanup hitter. He's still pretty fast.

                    Man, there are a lotta Sosa haters out there.

                    Comment

                    • cub
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1126

                      #70
                      Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Erod said:
                      Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      What tha? Sosa never hit for average until he started hitting all the HRs.

                      He was like .250 with 200 strikeouts every year (even when he got big) until he changed his stance.

                      Yes, he stopped running as much. Mainly cause he became a cleanup hitter. He's still pretty fast.

                      Man, there are a lotta Sosa haters out there.

                      Comment

                      • dieselboy
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 18040

                        #71
                        Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        cub said:
                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        Erod said:
                        Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        What tha? Sosa never hit for average until he started hitting all the HRs.

                        He was like .250 with 200 strikeouts every year (even when he got big) until he changed his stance.

                        Yes, he stopped running as much. Mainly cause he became a cleanup hitter. He's still pretty fast.

                        Man, there are a lotta Sosa haters out there.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Man, there are a lotta of Cubs homers out there.

                        You say he stopped running because he moved to clean up? Sosa has been batting clean up since what? 93? 94? Maybe 95?

                        Look at the numbers. From 1990 to 1997, Sosa was averaging 30 SBs per full season, and only topped the .500 SLG % in three seasons.

                        From 1998 - 2003, he averaged about 3 SBs per full season, and almost 60 HRs per full season, while his slugging reached over .900, including 1.000 slugging % in four seasons.

                        Yes, I know people don't steal as much from the #3 and #4 positions, but people like A-Rod still stole almost 20 bases last season despite hitting 40+ HRs the last six seasons.

                        Gotta love the Juice ehh?

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                        • dieselboy
                          --------------
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 18040

                          #72
                          Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          cub said:
                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          Erod said:
                          Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          What tha? Sosa never hit for average until he started hitting all the HRs.

                          He was like .250 with 200 strikeouts every year (even when he got big) until he changed his stance.

                          Yes, he stopped running as much. Mainly cause he became a cleanup hitter. He's still pretty fast.

                          Man, there are a lotta Sosa haters out there.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Man, there are a lotta of Cubs homers out there.

                          You say he stopped running because he moved to clean up? Sosa has been batting clean up since what? 93? 94? Maybe 95?

                          Look at the numbers. From 1990 to 1997, Sosa was averaging 30 SBs per full season, and only topped the .500 SLG % in three seasons.

                          From 1998 - 2003, he averaged about 3 SBs per full season, and almost 60 HRs per full season, while his slugging reached over .900, including 1.000 slugging % in four seasons.

                          Yes, I know people don't steal as much from the #3 and #4 positions, but people like A-Rod still stole almost 20 bases last season despite hitting 40+ HRs the last six seasons.

                          Gotta love the Juice ehh?

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                          • dieselboy
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                            • Dec 2002
                            • 18040

                            #73
                            Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            cub said:
                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            Erod said:
                            Exactly. You don't go from a hit-for-average guy to the player that hits the most gargantuan homers in the entire league.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            What tha? Sosa never hit for average until he started hitting all the HRs.

                            He was like .250 with 200 strikeouts every year (even when he got big) until he changed his stance.

                            Yes, he stopped running as much. Mainly cause he became a cleanup hitter. He's still pretty fast.

                            Man, there are a lotta Sosa haters out there.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Man, there are a lotta of Cubs homers out there.

                            You say he stopped running because he moved to clean up? Sosa has been batting clean up since what? 93? 94? Maybe 95?

                            Look at the numbers. From 1990 to 1997, Sosa was averaging 30 SBs per full season, and only topped the .500 SLG % in three seasons.

                            From 1998 - 2003, he averaged about 3 SBs per full season, and almost 60 HRs per full season, while his slugging reached over .900, including 1.000 slugging % in four seasons.

                            Yes, I know people don't steal as much from the #3 and #4 positions, but people like A-Rod still stole almost 20 bases last season despite hitting 40+ HRs the last six seasons.

                            Gotta love the Juice ehh?

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                            • MagicUser
                              Rookie
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 175

                              #74
                              Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                              EROD-

                              What should we do with the career records of hundreds of pitchers who, over the course of baseball history, altered and doctored baseballs during games. Should spitballers be removed from the HoF?
                              What about the guys that trotted out to the mound with razor blades hidden in there gloves? Cheating is cheating is it not?

                              My point is that baseball players cheating does not come as a news flash to anybody. There is no need to write off today's baseball players as morally bankrupt when they are doing what baseball players have been doing for GENERATIONS in one form or another. The game is not broken. Those that are caught using steroids will be caught and punished, steroids testing in some form or another will be put in place, and then the players will buckle down and find new ways to get a leg up on the competition. Then "baseball purists" can go to complaining about how the games are to long, or how the mound should be raised, or how the DH should be banned, or the Wild Card playoff spot removed or whatever.

                              If you want to complain about anything you should complain about our society's "Winning is everything" mentality. Baseball is a business and in business you don't get "A"'s for effort or rewarded for doing the right thing. you get rewarded for results- and the only result that seems to matter is increasing revenue. Period.
                              Thanks for the advice.
                              Xbox Live Tag: Elfkicker

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                              • MagicUser
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 175

                                #75
                                Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                                EROD-

                                What should we do with the career records of hundreds of pitchers who, over the course of baseball history, altered and doctored baseballs during games. Should spitballers be removed from the HoF?
                                What about the guys that trotted out to the mound with razor blades hidden in there gloves? Cheating is cheating is it not?

                                My point is that baseball players cheating does not come as a news flash to anybody. There is no need to write off today's baseball players as morally bankrupt when they are doing what baseball players have been doing for GENERATIONS in one form or another. The game is not broken. Those that are caught using steroids will be caught and punished, steroids testing in some form or another will be put in place, and then the players will buckle down and find new ways to get a leg up on the competition. Then "baseball purists" can go to complaining about how the games are to long, or how the mound should be raised, or how the DH should be banned, or the Wild Card playoff spot removed or whatever.

                                If you want to complain about anything you should complain about our society's "Winning is everything" mentality. Baseball is a business and in business you don't get "A"'s for effort or rewarded for doing the right thing. you get rewarded for results- and the only result that seems to matter is increasing revenue. Period.
                                Thanks for the advice.
                                Xbox Live Tag: Elfkicker

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