We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • cookusu
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 1685

    #106
    Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

    In Regards to Sosa, yes I am bias, but so are most of you guys who bash him.

    I have watched Sosa's career closely since he came to the White Sox, and there has not been one year where he just suddenly showed up and was way bigger than the last. In fact the year before or maybe even the year of his breakout season he was accused of being over weight and out of shape when he came into camp. Plus one year he hit 40 HR's in about 120 games. Broke his wrist I think.

    I have no idea what Sosa has taken in his life just by looking at him, no more than I do if I look at pictures of EROD. I can look at pictures of me and see that my head looks bigger from the time I was 23 and 25 till now and I am 38. 3 Hat sizes EROD? Come on, I know you love to exaggerate, but that is ridiculous.

    Sosa got better when he learned the strike zone their is a direct corrleation between the amount of walks he drew and the number of HR's he hit.

    Comment

    • rsox
      All Star
      • Feb 2003
      • 6309

      #107
      Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      cookusu said:
      how do we know what the a clean Ken Caminitti might have done in those same years?

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

      If you want to know what kind of numbers a clean Caminiti would put up, check his stats out before the 1994 season when he started getting bigger, his career high in Home Runs before '94 was 13, he hit 13 three seasons in a row, then he got bigger, in '94 he hit 18 HR, by '96 he was huge, he hit 40 HR, and won the N.L. MVP, in the 1998 World series he played with two bad shoulders, which required surgery after the series, a sore knee, and a killer sinus infection, which carried over to the next season, he would not be able to play thru all that without the help of steroids.
      the ramifications for taking steroids if your a Barry Bonds or a Sammy Sosa is the public perception of your image, you get a slap on the wrist by the league. but you have to face your fans and the media blitz every time you break a record, should Bonds admit to, or be caught taking steroids, and he breaks Hank Aarons Home Run record, does the feat still carry the same meaning?, or is it tainted by the fact that it took artificial enhancements too break the record?.

      Comment

      • rsox
        All Star
        • Feb 2003
        • 6309

        #108
        Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        cookusu said:
        how do we know what the a clean Ken Caminitti might have done in those same years?

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        If you want to know what kind of numbers a clean Caminiti would put up, check his stats out before the 1994 season when he started getting bigger, his career high in Home Runs before '94 was 13, he hit 13 three seasons in a row, then he got bigger, in '94 he hit 18 HR, by '96 he was huge, he hit 40 HR, and won the N.L. MVP, in the 1998 World series he played with two bad shoulders, which required surgery after the series, a sore knee, and a killer sinus infection, which carried over to the next season, he would not be able to play thru all that without the help of steroids.
        the ramifications for taking steroids if your a Barry Bonds or a Sammy Sosa is the public perception of your image, you get a slap on the wrist by the league. but you have to face your fans and the media blitz every time you break a record, should Bonds admit to, or be caught taking steroids, and he breaks Hank Aarons Home Run record, does the feat still carry the same meaning?, or is it tainted by the fact that it took artificial enhancements too break the record?.

        Comment

        • rsox
          All Star
          • Feb 2003
          • 6309

          #109
          Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          cookusu said:
          how do we know what the a clean Ken Caminitti might have done in those same years?

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          If you want to know what kind of numbers a clean Caminiti would put up, check his stats out before the 1994 season when he started getting bigger, his career high in Home Runs before '94 was 13, he hit 13 three seasons in a row, then he got bigger, in '94 he hit 18 HR, by '96 he was huge, he hit 40 HR, and won the N.L. MVP, in the 1998 World series he played with two bad shoulders, which required surgery after the series, a sore knee, and a killer sinus infection, which carried over to the next season, he would not be able to play thru all that without the help of steroids.
          the ramifications for taking steroids if your a Barry Bonds or a Sammy Sosa is the public perception of your image, you get a slap on the wrist by the league. but you have to face your fans and the media blitz every time you break a record, should Bonds admit to, or be caught taking steroids, and he breaks Hank Aarons Home Run record, does the feat still carry the same meaning?, or is it tainted by the fact that it took artificial enhancements too break the record?.

          Comment

          • cookusu
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 1685

            #110
            Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

            We still don't really know what a clean Caminitti would have done in those seasons, because he never played them, it isn't like we had a labratory test going on with Caminitti on steroids and Caminitti not on steroids with all other factors equaled out. So we don't really know what the effect of the steroids were on the seasons in questions. Everything else is just speculation.

            My point is people love to speculate and some love to think the worst of everybody with only the slightest provocation, In reality we all do it, but some of the guys here seems so sure of the guilt of various players it's ridiculous.

            People love to watch others mess up and then preach about it, how somehow Bonds taking Steroids altered EROD's life in any meaningful way.

            I realize that steroid users will have a stigma attached to them, but it is unfortunate that others will be caught up in all the speculation.

            I wonder how many of you guys are old enough to remember the cocaine problems of the 80's in baseball and could name players that were caught up in it, but the kind of talk you are hearing now was exactly what was going on then, but on a smaller scale cause you didn't have all the media outlets you have now.

            Comment

            • cookusu
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 1685

              #111
              Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

              We still don't really know what a clean Caminitti would have done in those seasons, because he never played them, it isn't like we had a labratory test going on with Caminitti on steroids and Caminitti not on steroids with all other factors equaled out. So we don't really know what the effect of the steroids were on the seasons in questions. Everything else is just speculation.

              My point is people love to speculate and some love to think the worst of everybody with only the slightest provocation, In reality we all do it, but some of the guys here seems so sure of the guilt of various players it's ridiculous.

              People love to watch others mess up and then preach about it, how somehow Bonds taking Steroids altered EROD's life in any meaningful way.

              I realize that steroid users will have a stigma attached to them, but it is unfortunate that others will be caught up in all the speculation.

              I wonder how many of you guys are old enough to remember the cocaine problems of the 80's in baseball and could name players that were caught up in it, but the kind of talk you are hearing now was exactly what was going on then, but on a smaller scale cause you didn't have all the media outlets you have now.

              Comment

              • cookusu
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 1685

                #112
                Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                We still don't really know what a clean Caminitti would have done in those seasons, because he never played them, it isn't like we had a labratory test going on with Caminitti on steroids and Caminitti not on steroids with all other factors equaled out. So we don't really know what the effect of the steroids were on the seasons in questions. Everything else is just speculation.

                My point is people love to speculate and some love to think the worst of everybody with only the slightest provocation, In reality we all do it, but some of the guys here seems so sure of the guilt of various players it's ridiculous.

                People love to watch others mess up and then preach about it, how somehow Bonds taking Steroids altered EROD's life in any meaningful way.

                I realize that steroid users will have a stigma attached to them, but it is unfortunate that others will be caught up in all the speculation.

                I wonder how many of you guys are old enough to remember the cocaine problems of the 80's in baseball and could name players that were caught up in it, but the kind of talk you are hearing now was exactly what was going on then, but on a smaller scale cause you didn't have all the media outlets you have now.

                Comment

                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #113
                  Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                  Cook: thanks for the clarification on Perry and I realized that he played his early career with the Giants. I was just trying to make my little point
                  Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                  "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

                  Comment

                  • SPTO
                    binging
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #114
                    Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                    Cook: thanks for the clarification on Perry and I realized that he played his early career with the Giants. I was just trying to make my little point
                    Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                    "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

                    Comment

                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #115
                      Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                      Cook: thanks for the clarification on Perry and I realized that he played his early career with the Giants. I was just trying to make my little point
                      Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                      "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

                      Comment

                      • cookusu
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 1685

                        #116
                        Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                        Right and I just wanted to make sure people realized he was HOF quality pitcher even in his last years he had some quality years, partly because of the aura that surrrounded him and what he might throw, mostly he was a showman in his later career, but still an excellent pitcher.

                        Comment

                        • cookusu
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 1685

                          #117
                          Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                          Right and I just wanted to make sure people realized he was HOF quality pitcher even in his last years he had some quality years, partly because of the aura that surrrounded him and what he might throw, mostly he was a showman in his later career, but still an excellent pitcher.

                          Comment

                          • cookusu
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 1685

                            #118
                            Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                            Right and I just wanted to make sure people realized he was HOF quality pitcher even in his last years he had some quality years, partly because of the aura that surrrounded him and what he might throw, mostly he was a showman in his later career, but still an excellent pitcher.

                            Comment

                            • MagicUser
                              Rookie
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 175

                              #119
                              Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              cookusu said:
                              Right and I just wanted to make sure people realized he was HOF quality pitcher even in his last years he had some quality years, partly because of the aura that surrrounded him and what he might throw, mostly he was a showman in his later career, but still an excellent pitcher.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              My question, which is a bit naive, I know, is should Perry be in the HoF after admitting he cheated? Or are some forms of cheating allowed as part of the personality of the game, while otehrs are not? I mean someone compared the spitball to the corked bat, but when Sosa was caught using one in a game (practice bat or not) all you heard was how he had been tarnished, how his records would be questioned, etc. Granted most people moved on from that was the season went on, but still.

                              If Pedro was caught cutting balls this season- what would the reaction be? Would he be tarnished?
                              It just seems that if some cheating is allowed and some is not it becomes very difficult to know where the DO NOT CROSS line is because it is always moving...
                              Thanks for the advice.
                              Xbox Live Tag: Elfkicker

                              Comment

                              • MagicUser
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 175

                                #120
                                Re: We should kill baseball altogether, then bring it back in five years

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                cookusu said:
                                Right and I just wanted to make sure people realized he was HOF quality pitcher even in his last years he had some quality years, partly because of the aura that surrrounded him and what he might throw, mostly he was a showman in his later career, but still an excellent pitcher.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                My question, which is a bit naive, I know, is should Perry be in the HoF after admitting he cheated? Or are some forms of cheating allowed as part of the personality of the game, while otehrs are not? I mean someone compared the spitball to the corked bat, but when Sosa was caught using one in a game (practice bat or not) all you heard was how he had been tarnished, how his records would be questioned, etc. Granted most people moved on from that was the season went on, but still.

                                If Pedro was caught cutting balls this season- what would the reaction be? Would he be tarnished?
                                It just seems that if some cheating is allowed and some is not it becomes very difficult to know where the DO NOT CROSS line is because it is always moving...
                                Thanks for the advice.
                                Xbox Live Tag: Elfkicker

                                Comment

                                Working...